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Title: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 02, 2013, 05:11:18 am
Thor - God of Thunder #12

By Jason Aaron with art from Nic Klein

This comic is as good as it gets. Jason Aaron's first issue out after the fantastic God Butcher and God-Bomb storylines is exactly what  you want from your superhero comics. This "Day in the life of Thor" shows that Aaron "gets" Thor. The art by Nic Klein is a definite change from the very eye pleasing Ivan Ribic, but it's not half bad, being similar in nature to Butch Guice or Luke Ross. This issue is done-in-one so it's a great jumping on point for the title, though if you're interested I'd suggest starting from the first issue as this is a legendary run in the making.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Scotty on September 02, 2013, 06:23:20 am
You know, a Thor solo series is just something I've never been able to get into. Maybe I'll pick up the first trade of this and give it a go.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on September 02, 2013, 07:07:55 am
You should; It's very good.

Also, Nic Klein did an awesome job with Ivan Brandon on Vikings (the Image title from a couple of years ago), so I'd expect him to be good on this. He's also picking up the next Captain America arc. I wouldn't have classed him in the Guide/Ross mould, but I haven't seen much of his stuff outside of Vikings.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 02, 2013, 06:31:09 pm
Thanos Rising #5

By Jason Aaron and Simone Bianchi

Anyone would think that I'm biased towards Aaron's writing, but it just so happens he's writing some of my favourite stuff right now. This five issues min-series is essentially "Thanos Year One"...except that it's longer than a year and not a DC comic. Anyhoo, we finally get the detailed origin of Thanos and it's fantastic. I'm not sure if Aaron spoke to Jim Starlin or anyone like that, but he's managed to craft a superb early years look at one of the best villains Marvel has to offer. What this series doesn't do is water the character down, instead, if anything he comes across even more evil than before. Simone Bianchi's art is just glorious and it's great seeing him do full interiors rather than just covers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 02, 2013, 08:29:06 pm
You should; It's very good.

Also, Nic Klein did an awesome job with Ivan Brandon on Vikings (the Image title from a couple of years ago), so I'd expect him to be good on this. He's also picking up the next Captain America arc. I wouldn't have classed him in the Guide/Ross mould, but I haven't seen much of his stuff outside of Vikings.

I see where the Guice/Ross comparison comes from.  I think it was actually toned down a bit for this spectacular issue of Thor.  He got a bit more rounded, less scratchy.  The same thing with Ross over on Secret Avengers.  Anyway, I did not see the Jane Foster turn coming.  What a punch in the gut.  Aaron knows what he's doing on this book.  Also, Blis talked me into Wolverine and the X-Men, which is crazy fun.  The artist (Nick Bradshaw?) is like a fast Art Adams.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Scotty on September 02, 2013, 08:41:04 pm
I'm very much enjoying Hickman on the Avengers. Hickman is a slow-burn writer and you have to go into his work with a trust that it's all leading somewhere. Not only is he doing a great job, but he has introduced some interesting new characters which is a nice change.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 02, 2013, 10:14:08 pm
I see where the Guice/Ross comparison comes from.  I think it was actually toned down a bit for this spectacular issue of Thor.  He got a bit more rounded, less scratchy.  The same thing with Ross over on Secret Avengers.  Anyway, I did not see the Jane Foster turn coming.  What a punch in the gut.  Aaron knows what he's doing on this book.  Also, Blis talked me into Wolverine and the X-Men, which is crazy fun.  The artist (Nick Bradshaw?) is like a fast Art Adams.

Yeah, the Foster thing was amazing and surreal. Aaron handles it really well.

W & T X-Men is a riot and I agree about Bradshaw, he's fun. I shouldn't talk this title up too much though as it's written by.....Jason Aaron.

I'm very much enjoying Hickman on the Avengers. Hickman is a slow-burn writer and you have to go into his work with a trust that it's all leading somewhere. Not only is he doing a great job, but he has introduced some interesting new characters which is a nice change.

I'm persevering. It's been a slow start and not what I'd imagined the title being like. However, the latest issue ramps it up and I'm enjoying it much more.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 05, 2013, 10:49:46 am
I'm very much enjoying Hickman on the Avengers. Hickman is a slow-burn writer and you have to go into his work with a trust that it's all leading somewhere. Not only is he doing a great job, but he has introduced some interesting new characters which is a nice change.



I dig Hickman on most things.  His Image titles have all been pretty good, except Red Wing.  That one went nowhere for me.  I just picked up God is Dead from Avatar which has his name attached, as well as Mike Costa.  As with a lot of Avatar books the art is mediocre and heavy on the gore.  I might get a collection later if I hear good things.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 05, 2013, 05:18:10 pm
I was fast losing interest in the new Thunderbolts, but the most recent issue has me interested again. General Ross' "One for me, one for you" mission policy is an interesting one and I'm glad they chose the Punisher first as I miss Frank having his own regular series.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 05, 2013, 08:52:26 pm
Agreed.  I'm thinking the change in writer had something to do with it, but now that he's had a chance to make things his own we're in for some fun stuff.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 05, 2013, 09:26:48 pm
Just read Infinity #2.  We are now officially in Space Opera territory and the changes in Thanos origin make some more sense.  Hickman is paying off.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on September 07, 2013, 07:36:30 pm
How is the Fantastic Four/FF thing playing out? I dropped FF at #4. Is it just Fraction paying the bills while he knocks it out of the park over at Image?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 07, 2013, 10:59:09 pm
I love FF way more than Fantastic Four actually.  Allred clearly has a positive influence on it.  I'll get Fraction's Image stuff digitally down the road.  Is it really that good?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on September 08, 2013, 02:31:10 am
Satellite Sam is ok so far. It's no Hawkeye though.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gadabout on September 08, 2013, 08:17:35 pm
I never read Marvel before DC's reboot. Now I read Hawkeye and Deadpool. Also trying to catch up on Daredevil which has been great.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 08, 2013, 08:53:57 pm
Just read Infinity #2.  We are now officially in Space Opera territory and the changes in Thanos origin make some more sense.  Hickman is paying off.

Yeah, this is pretty epic. Digging the art too.

Very curious about that last page....


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Scotty on September 09, 2013, 03:47:50 am
Marvel Now has definitely increased my Marvel purchases.

Really wish DC had gone down that road instead of the Flashpoint road.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 13, 2013, 06:24:11 am
Mighty Avengers (vol.2) #1 by Al EWing and Greg Land.

Not quite sure what this book is about? Seems Luke Cage wants to earn some cash with "Heroes for Hire" again, but misses the Avengers or something? Anyhoo, looks like he's inadvertently got a new team together. I'm a big fan of Luke which is why I picked this title up. As for the other members, I don't know much about the new Powerman, but I do know he's completely unlikable. White Tiger is fine, but I miss the original (that I remember reading in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu), Spidey is Spidey (kinda) and I wouldn't dare say anything negative about Monica Rambeau, lest my account be deleted.

This is a neat tie-in to "Infinity" without being required reading. Al Ewing writes everybody quite well, picking up the subtleties of Spidey being a pompous ass and Luke being 'old school'. Greg Land's art is surprisingly un-land-ish? I certainly wasn't offended by it as many are. The one thing I'd like to get out of this series is a fracking costume for Luke Cage. Can no artist at Marvel sufficiently update his original duds? The cover implied it, but there was nothing in the story.

I'll be back for #2


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 13, 2013, 07:12:38 am
No discussion yet on Robinson's new Invaders series? Looks promising...

http://www.newsarama.com/18923-james-robinson-talks-all-new-invaders-line-up-additions-more.html

If the LCS has an extra copy of Mighty Avengers, I'll pick it up. Including both the new Powerman and the new White Tiger, though, makes me a bit weary -- especially as they are in that lame Ultimate Spider-Man animated series. I do like the update on Monica's outfit -- it has a very Bronze Age feel to it -- nice, streamlined design. Very anti-nu52!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 16, 2013, 03:25:48 am
No discussion yet on Robinson's new Invaders series? Looks promising...

http://www.newsarama.com/18923-james-robinson-talks-all-new-invaders-line-up-additions-more.html

If the LCS has an extra copy of Mighty Avengers, I'll pick it up. Including both the new Powerman and the new White Tiger, though, makes me a bit weary -- especially as they are in that lame Ultimate Spider-Man animated series. I do like the update on Monica's outfit -- it has a very Bronze Age feel to it -- nice, streamlined design. Very anti-nu52!

Yah, I'm in!!

Marvel has a pretty decent Golden Age history that should be better integrated like the JSA.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 16, 2013, 05:46:30 am
Indestructible Hulk #12-13 (w:Mark Waid, p: Matteo Scalera)

Waid continues to show that he's not only one of the most fun writers in comics, but one of the biggest comic nerds. With a simple time travel story, Waid has the Hulk running across Kid Colt Outlaw, Two Gun Kid and Rawhide Kid. In issue #13 the Hulk jumps in time again and is suddenly in Camelot and going up against the original Black Knight and Merlin. Just great stuff and I title I look forward to every month. The covers by Mukesh Singh are just gorgeous.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on September 16, 2013, 06:45:22 am
I concur with everything you wrote.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 16, 2013, 08:19:05 pm
Just finished that a few minutes ago.  Fun on a bun.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 23, 2013, 08:39:30 am
I'm behind on most of my reading, but I finally read Thanos Imperative Rising #4. Why can't all comics be this good -- and entertaining?!

I just hope we don't OD on Thanos after the next couple of years.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 23, 2013, 05:26:43 pm
Infinity #3 was another brilliant issue in this series. Why is this the first 'event' from Marvel in years that I've enjoyed? Oh yeah, no Bendis involved. In fact, this is the best event Marvel has done since D&A were doing the Annihilation and War of Kings stuff.

*MINOR SPOILER*

My fave scene has to be just after the Kree have surrendered and the Spartax have also announced their withdrawal and Gladiator asks K'Lrt the Super Skrull what his choice is and he replies "Better to die on your feet...with blood on your hands and standing upon the corpses of your enemies" (or something like that)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 23, 2013, 06:46:42 pm
K'Lrt's always good for a laugh.  :D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 23, 2013, 09:44:27 pm
K'Lrt's always good for a laugh.  :D

Did you read his mini-series that came out during Annihilation? Great stuff!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 24, 2013, 10:03:53 pm
K'Lrt's always good for a laugh.  :D

Did you read his mini-series that came out during Annihilation? Great stuff!

I did.  Can't remember a damn thing about it, but I did.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 25, 2013, 12:24:27 am
K'Lrt's always good for a laugh.  :D

Did you read his mini-series that came out during Annihilation? Great stuff!

I did.  Can't remember a damn thing about it, but I did.

They kinda made out that he was old news and a product of the previous generation. He wasn't respected anymore, etc, etc, then of course he steps up saves the day and becomes a badass again.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 25, 2013, 10:04:13 pm
I remember loving all of the Annihilation stuff, except for maybe Wraith.  I seem to recall that book going nowhere.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 08, 2013, 12:17:32 pm
"Possibly, the best X-Man ever..."

Somewhere, Dave Cockrum is smiling.

http://www.newsarama.com/19138-nightcrawler-s-back-in-swashbuckling-amazing-x-men-1-1st-look.html



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 08, 2013, 07:38:15 pm
Nightcrawler coming back.....in another new X-title......never saw it coming.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 09, 2013, 12:24:49 pm
Nightcrawler coming back.....in another new X-title......never saw it coming.

Dripping with sarcasm...

But let's face it -- this is just an opportunity for Wolverine to be ON YET ANOTHER FRIGGIN' TEAM!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 09, 2013, 03:42:50 pm
Nightcrawler coming back.....in another new X-title......never saw it coming.

Dripping with sarcasm...

But let's face it -- this is just an opportunity for Wolverine to be ON YET ANOTHER FRIGGIN' TEAM!

Yeah, with so many X-Titles it's a shame I can't get my team back. The heyday for me was circa UXM 190-220 where it was Storm, Wolvie, Rogue, Colossus, Kitty and Kurt. Throw in the new Psylocke (as she was then) and I'd call it a day though seeing Longshot and Dazzler was fun.

Where's Gambit these days? (don't say "who cares?")


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 09, 2013, 11:12:48 pm
His own book just got the axe. He'll show up eventually.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 11, 2013, 11:08:29 am
And it will be in the new X-Factor along with Quicksilver, Polaris and....?

http://www.newsarama.com/19176-nycc-2013-marvel-amazing-x-men-the-marvel-universe-live.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 11, 2013, 09:04:46 pm
And it will be in the new X-Factor along with Quicksilver, Polaris and....?

http://www.newsarama.com/19176-nycc-2013-marvel-amazing-x-men-the-marvel-universe-live.html

I demand more X-books.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 14, 2013, 11:03:17 am
How about Elektra instead?

What?! Not another Elektra ongoing, you may be thinking. This one might actually work, methinks.

http://www.newsarama.com/19211-nycc-2013-wells-del-mundo-go-for-the-kill-in-elektra.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 14, 2013, 08:34:56 pm
How about Elektra instead?

What?! Not another Elektra ongoing, you may be thinking. This one might actually work, methinks.

http://www.newsarama.com/19211-nycc-2013-wells-del-mundo-go-for-the-kill-in-elektra.html

No offence to fans of the character, but really?

I'd much prefer a Rogue or Storm series.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 15, 2013, 10:22:23 am
Nah. They are team characters. A limited series -- sure. Unlimited -- well maybe a year or two tops.

I will say, though, that Elektra probably should have just stayed dead after Daredevil 181. Or she should have stayed in that mountaintop aerie after being resurrected.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 15, 2013, 07:05:17 pm
If they can go the Hawkeye route (bring something new to the artform), they have a shot. Otherwise, I don't see the character's inherent appeal as a solo lead.

The New Warriors reveal looks dodgy, but my love of the team is strong.  I'll pick it up!  Edmondson and Gerards on Punisher is intriguing, but I'm worried what that means for The Activity.

On a related note, Infinity #4 keeps the awesome coming.  This is really best read in serial format.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on October 15, 2013, 07:57:47 pm
I love the promo image for Punisher (t-shirt with "I'm not Daredevil" emblazoned on it). That looks more like it could have an interesting hook to me. Edmondson churns out plenty of stuff, so I wouldn't bee too concerned.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 15, 2013, 08:05:47 pm
It's more the Gerards I'm worried about.  Not a lot of artists that can put out more than 8-10 books a year.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on October 15, 2013, 10:16:01 pm
C'mon, man. Artists are a dime-a-dozen...


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gadabout on October 16, 2013, 09:49:12 pm
X-books are completely unapproachable to a Marvel newb. Or at least, this one. X-Force, X-Factor, Wolverine's X-men, New X-Men, Amazing stupendous, super neato fuckity fuck X-men.

Nearly downloaded a huge bunch of comics thinking it was the gray X team with Wolverine, Deadpool, Angel, and that big Indian dude. I was super X-cited to see that Peter David was the author. But then it was the wrong fucking name and I didn't really care about the characters in X-factor, despite the writer. Le-sigh. Comix r hard.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 17, 2013, 05:47:31 am
Yeah, I can see how it would be overwhelming. I've been reading X-Books for 30 odd years, but I haven't read some of the sideline books so often don't know who some of the characters are that are getting around the X-Mansion.

Are you across any of the recent developments such as Wolverine's group is not really speaking to Cyclops' group?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 21, 2013, 10:53:17 am
I'm not happy about X-23 joining the All-New X-Men. Hopefully, here addition means less of Logan in that title -- but probably not.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 21, 2013, 04:24:45 pm
I'm not happy about X-23 joining the All-New X-Men. Hopefully, here addition means less of Logan in that title -- but probably not.

There's overkill on so many characters and others you barely see at all.

"Battle for the Atom" has been okay, but it's really been kinda slow. I'm not convinced Brian Wood can write fight scenes either.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on October 21, 2013, 09:43:27 pm
I am really liking the X-Men at the moment. Nova and Young Avengers are also really good.

I need to get caught up with Uncanny Avengers and Fearless Defenders.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on October 22, 2013, 02:11:50 am
Did anyone pick up the Hulk special? I was going to, but realised it wasn't Waid.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 22, 2013, 03:05:29 am
Did anyone pick up the Hulk special? I was going to, but realised it wasn't Waid.

Nope. Saw the cover price and bailed.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 22, 2013, 03:18:52 pm
I am really liking the X-Men at the moment. Nova and Young Avengers are also really good.

I need to get caught up with Uncanny Avengers and Fearless Defenders.

I haven't read the most recent Uncanny Avengers. I did see that Fearless Defenders has been cancelled.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on October 22, 2013, 03:45:01 pm
Not surprising.

While excellent, the male demographic is threatened by books that feature female casts.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 22, 2013, 05:37:47 pm
Not surprising.

While excellent, the male demographic is threatened by books that feature female casts.

The new X-Men title featuring the girls is the one I look forward to most just because of the cast.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on October 22, 2013, 07:00:58 pm
Don't get too attached....all I'm saying.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on October 22, 2013, 07:06:48 pm
Not surprising.

While excellent, the male demographic is threatened by books that feature female casts.

'Threatened' is one way off putting it. There are a hell of a lot of ugly opinions out there about female cast-members and female fans. It's an ugly blight on the industry (but not specific to comics, obviously).


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on October 22, 2013, 07:25:23 pm
Which is absolutely ludicrous to me.

I hear fans lamenting that the industry is dying, i hear publishers bitching that they want new readers, but the moment a new demographic emerges, we try to run 'em off?

I have a tumblr, the female fans are no less creative, no less enthusiastic, and no less devoted to their favorite characters.

Maybe we need to stop feeling so damn threatened by girls, and realize that we finally have something in common with them.

But bear in mind, female fans owe us NOTHING. They don't need to prove their cred, or give us a date, and they deserve not to be groped at cons.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on October 22, 2013, 08:22:42 pm
Correct on all points.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 22, 2013, 10:58:01 pm
It doesn't help that female characters are relegated to back-ups in a lot of Marvel titles (Avengers). Storm is one of my favourite characters and I'd take her over Cyclops any day. The fact that she's leading two titles (X-Men and Uncanny X-Force) is a huge win for me and shows Marvel is trying.

The entire cast of Uncanny X-Men (Cyclops, Magneto, Emma, Magik) bore the fuck out of me these days. I'd swap that title for a Rogue or Storm solo series in a second.

I'm not sure who is threatened by girls? Is it because they're getting into Pop Culture more now and a minority of nerd culture think it's a boys game only?

I have to confess, I've never bought into the whole "we need to get more girls reading comics" as the industry is on shaky enough ground that it should be "we need to get more people reading comics"


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on October 22, 2013, 11:18:59 pm

I'm not sure who is threatened by girls? Is it because they're getting into Pop Culture more now and a minority of nerd culture think it's a boys game only?


Bingo.

I want diversity in my comics. Not Diversity for Diversity's sake, but teammates who work well, either characters who already have chemistry, or characters who could create chemistry. I want men, women, teens, gay, straight, black, latina, asian and everything in between.

Not the same old lineups, but familiarity helps. I get tired of a lack of development in order to preserve a status quo.

But history is also important. Continuity can be fast and loose on minor details, but retcons are a retcopout.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 23, 2013, 12:26:03 am

I'm not sure who is threatened by girls? Is it because they're getting into Pop Culture more now and a minority of nerd culture think it's a boys game only?


Bingo.

I want diversity in my comics. Not Diversity for Diversity's sake, but teammates who work well, either characters who already have chemistry, or characters who could create chemistry. I want men, women, teens, gay, straight, black, latina, asian and everything in between.

Not the same old lineups, but familiarity helps. I get tired of a lack of development in order to preserve a status quo.

But history is also important. Continuity can be fast and loose on minor details, but retcons are a retcopout.

It's funny, but when I think of a "team"....I don't think about it from the point of view that we need a male lead, strong female, minority character, etc, I just think about it from the perspective of powerset.

Looking at the Mighty Avengers, it never occurred to me that Luke, Powerman, Monica are all Black, White Tiger is Latina (I think?), She-Hulk is a the token powerful female, Ronin is whomever? I just see it as poor powerset distribution. 3 strong people, 2 hand-to-hand people, etc, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on October 23, 2013, 01:19:15 am
A mismatched team can still be written well. Poor powersets can create internal conflict, and with a capable writer, a lopsided power dynamic can actually still function well.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 23, 2013, 05:16:52 am
A mismatched team can still be written well. Poor powersets can create internal conflict, and with a capable writer, a lopsided power dynamic can actually still function well.

Yah and that's all I need. Sex, creed, sexual persuasion, etc, is all meaningless to me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on October 23, 2013, 05:27:15 pm
But to some, Representation in media is important.

It is good that you can look past it, but some people are very under represented and diversity is important, as it reflects the world around us, and better establishes the fictional world as representative of the real one.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 23, 2013, 07:20:47 pm
But to some, Representation in media is important.

It is good that you can look past it, but some people are very under represented and diversity is important, as it reflects the world around us, and better establishes the fictional world as representative of the real one.

True.

But now all I picture is some white guy writing Luke Cage yelling "Sweet Christmas!"


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on October 23, 2013, 07:28:37 pm
 O0

Outta sight!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gadabout on October 24, 2013, 03:24:19 pm
I work at GameStop and there are plenty of girl nerds. Half the people I hang out with are chicks who dig comics, sci-fi, video games and/or tech.

And i. Personally have not seen guys giving ladies a hard time. I think most of the people I know welcome them as a friend and probably see them as helping elevate the culture beyond masturbating basement dwellers who have never touched a boob or turned down a Twinkie.

What I do see with some of these chicks is female, non nerdy friends giving them a horrible time. I have one friend who gets so much shit from her co-workers and social peers. She said she wore a star wars shirt one night and they gave her so much shit she ended up crying in the bathroom.

And this girl is fucking gorgeous and one of the nicest most socially skilled people you could ever know. She's not being messed with because she's weird, but because she likes "nerdy" stuff.

Men don't have to deal with that anymore, really. Red neck dudes might be one of he few demos of guys who would give you a hard time about any of our interests. Jocks, thugs, preppy kids, hipster diuche bags, and just about every other demo are all cool with it for the most part those.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 25, 2013, 02:20:19 am
who have never touched a boob or turned down a Twinkie.

....half that quote describes me perfectly.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 12, 2013, 12:14:21 pm
Well, I guess it was only a matter of time. Fantastic Four gets new creative team -- and another number one relaunch. Nice new logo, but I've really grown tired of all the current marketing ploys. They're really making it easy for me to end a 40+ year habit.

http://www.newsarama.com/19546-official-james-robinson-s-fantastic-four-relaunch-finally-announced.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 16, 2013, 05:15:02 am
Well, I guess it was only a matter of time. Fantastic Four gets new creative team -- and another number one relaunch. Nice new logo, but I've really grown tired of all the current marketing ploys. They're really making it easy for me to end a 40+ year habit.

http://www.newsarama.com/19546-official-james-robinson-s-fantastic-four-relaunch-finally-announced.html

Yup. And Wolverine is being cancelled and relaunched.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 19, 2013, 02:54:46 pm
I'm still enjoy All-New X-Men, and I love Stuart Immomen, but these new outfits are a symbol of everything I don't like about modern comic book uniforms. If the goal is to make the characters appears bland -- mission accomplished.

http://www.newsarama.com/19528-inside-stuart-immonens-all-new-all-new-x-men-costumes.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 03, 2013, 06:51:49 pm
Wolverine and the X-Men relaunch with a new creative team and possibly a tighter focus.  I know people hate relaunches, but I'm glad the title's not dead:

http://www.newsarama.com/19712-wolverine-the-x-men-relaunches-with-focus-on-the-kids.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 03, 2013, 08:04:09 pm
Wolverine and the X-Men relaunch with a new creative team and possibly a tighter focus.  I know people hate relaunches, but I'm glad the title's not dead:

http://www.newsarama.com/19712-wolverine-the-x-men-relaunches-with-focus-on-the-kids.html

Ugggh.

Tighter focus on the kids.

Yay.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 06, 2013, 12:06:08 pm
Mahmud Asrar is the reason I was collecting nu52 Supergirl. His art is in the vein of Stuart Immoment. But I really can't get into those students at the Jean Grey School.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 17, 2013, 07:29:47 am
Congratulations Marvel. In you're bid to get movie goers to buy you fair-to-midling Guardians of the Galaxy series, you lost a longtime reader (as if having Venom join the team wasn't bad enough).

http://popgoesmanila.com/2013/12/16/marvel-changes-guardians-galaxy-fcbd-cover/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 17, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
Congratulations Marvel. In you're bid to get movie goers to buy you fair-to-midling Guardians of the Galaxy series, you lost a longtime reader (as if having Venom join the team wasn't bad enough).

http://popgoesmanila.com/2013/12/16/marvel-changes-guardians-galaxy-fcbd-cover/

At least it'll bring in millions of new readers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on December 17, 2013, 03:06:14 pm
Heh


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 17, 2013, 09:02:11 pm
Hulk good.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 31, 2013, 10:53:37 am
Starlin is back!

http://www.newsarama.com/19918-jim-starlin-details-2014-s-thanos-the-infinity-revelation.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 31, 2013, 02:45:20 pm
Starlin is back!

http://www.newsarama.com/19918-jim-starlin-details-2014-s-thanos-the-infinity-revelation.html


....and I'm in!


Title: Get Fisted!
Post by: kcekada on January 09, 2014, 12:17:57 pm
New Iron Fist series. Looks very promising.

I keep trying to pare down my pull list, but Marvel keeps launching new series that interest me -- at least for the initial arc.

http://www.newsarama.com/19983-kaare-andrews-iron-fist-1-first-look.html

Moderator: You can move this to the Marvel Comics thread. I thought I was posting this there.  ???


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 09, 2014, 03:13:02 pm
Yeah, I'm interested.

Though I'd really just like to see a "Powerman & Iron Fist" title again.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on January 10, 2014, 06:02:35 pm
Black Widow #1 by Edmondson and Noto is a really strong first issue, and the most interesting I've read since Rucka's take. It's no Velvet, but it's pretty bloody good.

Phil Noto seems to have stepped up the dynamism in his art, so it's not just pretty to look at, but stuff is actually moving. Best work of his I've seen.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 10, 2014, 06:43:42 pm
Black Widow #1 by Edmondson and Noto is a really strong first issue, and the most interesting I've read since Rucka's take. It's no Velvet, but it's pretty bloody good.

Phil Noto seems to have stepped up the dynamism in his art, so it's not just pretty to look at, but stuff is actually moving. Best work of his I've seen.

 [thumbs up]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on January 10, 2014, 07:35:04 pm
New Iron Fist series. Looks very promising.

I keep trying to pare down my pull list, but Marvel keeps launching new series that interest me -- at least for the initial arc.

http://www.newsarama.com/19983-kaare-andrews-iron-fist-1-first-look.html

Moderator: You can move this to the Marvel Comics thread. I thought I was posting this there.  ???

Sold!  This second round launching the lesser characters has me pretty excited.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on January 10, 2014, 09:36:09 pm
Remender's Winter Soldier looks worth a try, too.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 13, 2014, 07:38:58 am
I put BW on my list based a couple of months back. I'm not the biggest Phil Noto fan, but this issue looked a lot better than his previous work. Haven't read the issue yet, but I'm optimisitc. I didn't like the initial arc on the previous BW series (it was kinda icky -- and made Natasha look kinda weak -- plus too much Wolverine).

I did read All-New X-Factor #1. I like the graphic design elements that are in play -- and that the interior artwork is little different than typical X-Fare. Not sure I'm digging the premise of  a few displaced X-Men jumping into this corporate endeavor (which is bound to blow up in their faces), but we'll see where this goes. Weird lineup thought -- three B characters and some really low-tier X characters to round out the team. Also, it seems that PAD is limited in what he can do with Quicksilver (according to a CBR interview).


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 13, 2014, 04:13:45 pm
Origin II #1 was a bit of yawn. Nothing against Gillen, it's just a whole issue devoted to Wolverine living with a wolf pack. Nothing new to see here at all.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on January 16, 2014, 04:07:28 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/20046-marvel-comics-april-2014-solicitations.html

Not much exciting here.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 16, 2014, 06:52:16 pm
Superior Spider-Man has been worth a read, but I think their timing is good for bringing Peter back.

Uncanny X-men is up to issue twenty, must be time for a relaunch.

Bagley's art looks quite decent on Hulk.

I've missed a decent Silver Surfer title, hopefully Slott can bring it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on January 16, 2014, 07:13:56 pm
I'll buy the first issue of Silver Surfer. See how it goes.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 17, 2014, 07:44:52 am
http://www.newsarama.com/20046-marvel-comics-april-2014-solicitations.html

Not much exciting here.

Even though  the new MMW Avengers covers material I own in different formats (original issues, Celestial Madonna tpb), I'll be picking up this volume. With the next volume, they are up to the ear where I started buying Avengers (issue 144 - the Hellcat Cometh).

Still not seeing as many classic collections as I'd like. They are very big on collecting some of the same material in multiple formats. Guess it's all about marketability.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 17, 2014, 03:11:46 pm
X-Men is close to being dropped for me. I was getting it for the classic girl lineup and Marvel have already fucked it. First the x-over issues and now Rogue and Kitty have gone and been replaced by Monet and Omega Sentinel.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on January 17, 2014, 09:03:09 pm
I've missed a decent Silver Surfer title, hopefully Slott can bring it.

Allred might be able to pull it off with just the art.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 25, 2014, 03:17:29 am
All New Invaders #1 was good stuff.

Though Steve Pugh draws Jim Hammond very young.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Titansfan on January 25, 2014, 07:20:07 am
Gonna pick up the Invaders this week.  I'm looking forward to it.  Does Robinson seem to have a good handle on them?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on January 25, 2014, 08:10:51 am
It's pretty much just been Jim Hammond so far.  I'm still waiting for the story to pick up.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 25, 2014, 08:49:41 pm
It's pretty much just been Jim Hammond so far.  I'm still waiting for the story to pick up.

Yeah, though it does refer to a stroyline/incident that I haven't read so that was a bit odd.

Def worth it for the last page.

What I would like to see the Invaders become, particularly the Torch, is to take on that Alan Scott/JSA type of role. However, I just don't think writers know what to do with him.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Titansfan on January 27, 2014, 09:18:44 pm
Read New Invaders today and loved it.  First comic I've added to my pull list in ages.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Josey Wales on January 27, 2014, 10:33:10 pm
I've missed a decent Silver Surfer title, hopefully Slott can bring it.

Allred might be able to pull it off with just the art.

Slott's run on Thing a few years back was a great, fun read. I picked up ASM for a while after a FCBD issue & enjoyed it, but dropped off due to all the crossovers & Superior reboot. I dunno about the Surfer, but he "gets" Peter Parker & Ben Grimm.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 30, 2014, 08:27:37 pm
Marvel have made it easy for me to drop two more titles.

The removal of Rogue and Kitty from X-Men means I'll drop it. Now the only way I get to see Rogue is in the awful hands of Rick Remender.
The merging of Uncanny X-Force and Cable leaves me with a team I don't find appealing so that's dropped too.

My favourite X-era is still the UXM 190-250 with Wolverine, Rogue, Colossus, Shadowcat and Nightcrawler. Now I'm barely able to read anything with the latter four in it. Maybe The Amazing X-Men will turn out to be the best of the bunch?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on January 30, 2014, 10:13:17 pm
I like Remender, but I haven't read any of his Marvel stuff other than Cap (which I like, even though it's slow). But  I'm more loyal to creators than I am to the X-Men. UXM 190-250 is my X-Men too. I don't really expect I'll ever get that back, so I'm moving on.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 31, 2014, 09:41:39 am
Remender's stuff is kinda out there. He has moments, but his Uncanny Avengers is a pretty wonky read.

To me, the best X-Men stories were told before Rogue joined the team, but I think most people are attached to the era when they started reading. I do like the Paul Smith era of the X-Men -- even though it was smaller in scale than the Cockrum/Byrne era. The John Romita JR started off meh and just got worse. The MTV-inspired outfits, the boring Fenris twins -- just a lot of stuff being thrown at the wall that wasn't very inspired, IMHO.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 31, 2014, 04:12:45 pm
Remender's stuff is kinda out there. He has moments, but his Uncanny Avengers is a pretty wonky read.

To me, the best X-Men stories were told before Rogue joined the team, but I think most people are attached to the era when they started reading. I do like the Paul Smith era of the X-Men -- even though it was smaller in scale than the Cockrum/Byrne era. The John Romita JR started off meh and just got worse. The MTV-inspired outfits, the boring Fenris twins -- just a lot of stuff being thrown at the wall that wasn't very inspired, IMHO.

Mutant massacre?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 09, 2014, 12:33:17 am
Fuck yeah!! Uncanny Avengers #16 was all kindsa awesome! Thor and Cap taking it to the Apocalypse Twins. All presented in decent McNiven art.  [thumbs up]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 10, 2014, 02:08:57 pm
Picked it up Saturday, but only saw the first page. Hopefully, the art improves because that page definitely didn't impress (visually).

I paged through All-New X-Men, and that series really drops in quality when Immomen is absent.

X-Factor #2 was kinda meh, but I'm willing to give PAD time to deliver something other than B heroes and D villains with (evil?) Google thrown in.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 14, 2014, 01:30:10 pm
Cyclops gets his first ongoing...

http://www.newsarama.com/20322-young-cyclops-in-space-marvel-talks-greg-rucka-s-new-ongoing-series.html

....but it's young, time-displaced Cyclops and (spoilers)...






Corsair (Christopher Summers) is alive and well in space -- where the series will take place?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 14, 2014, 03:12:58 pm
Cyclops gets his first ongoing...

http://www.newsarama.com/20322-young-cyclops-in-space-marvel-talks-greg-rucka-s-new-ongoing-series.html

....but it's young, time-displaced Cyclops and (spoilers)...

Corsair (Christopher Summers) is alive and well in space -- where the series will take place?

I like Rucka, but this is an easy pass for me. The characters from Uncanny X-Men (Cyclops, Emma, Magneto) are easily the most boring X-Men Marvel has right now and Bendis is not helping. Giving Magneto and Cyclops their own titles is a fail.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on February 14, 2014, 05:43:15 pm
I think this will be Rucka paying the bills.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on February 21, 2014, 05:18:29 am
She-Hulk #1 was quite fun, and I love the art. Might trade wait it though.

Winter Soldier Bitter March #1 was also very good. Will be picking up #2.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 21, 2014, 04:26:56 pm
She-Hulk #1 was quite fun, and I love the art. Might trade wait it though.

Whereas I skipped it due to the art.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on February 21, 2014, 11:26:28 pm
Really?  The art was the big draw for me, too.  Having a lawyer write had it concentrate on the lawyering side, less on the whacky side.  Not quite what I was predicting, but still good.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on March 05, 2014, 01:28:43 pm
Is that Pulido (sp?) on art. He did the Black Cat mini from a few years back. While he is a solid artist, his style isn't really my cup of tea. Would like something a bit flashier, I guess.

Remender is really out of control on Uncanny Avengers: The Neverending Story. I'd be happy to see him leave the book.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 05, 2014, 03:28:40 pm
Remender is really out of control on Uncanny Avengers: The Neverending Story. I'd be happy to see him leave the book.

Yeah, this ^^ The current story is fucking dragging on. He hasn't made any of the characters interesting.

I picked up "New New New New Warriors #1". It was okay, though it suffers from that old trope of having to establish all the characters (who are in different places) in a few pages each. So no one gets much screen time and they aren't a team yet.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 05, 2014, 09:27:54 pm
I picked up "New New New New Warriors #1". It was okay, though it suffers from that old trope of having to establish all the characters (who are in different places) in a few pages each. So no one gets much screen time and they aren't a team yet.

Yeah, hopefully it picks up soon.  I've read each take on it now and nothing's come close to the magic of the original.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on March 06, 2014, 03:23:11 pm
Moon Knight was pretty cool, but not blown away (it's only one issue). The book design is great, and I'm happy to see Ellis writing comics.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 06, 2014, 10:07:32 pm
Moon Knight was pretty cool, but not blown away (it's only one issue). The book design is great, and I'm happy to see Ellis writing comics.

Does it actually, y'know, feature Moon Knight? Or is it 22 pages of Marc Spector rambling on about his multiple personalities to a lampost?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on March 06, 2014, 10:30:54 pm
There's only a few panels of Spector without a mask. He doesn't have a cape.

I don't even care, as I have no connection with the character. Picked it up for the creative team.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 06, 2014, 10:37:18 pm
There's only a few panels of Spector without a mask. He doesn't have a cape.

I don't even care, as I have no connection with the character. Picked it up for the creative team.

Have you ever read the Moench/Sienkivics <sp?> run? Great stuff.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on March 06, 2014, 11:40:11 pm
It's on the list of things to buy if I find it cheap.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on March 06, 2014, 11:58:22 pm
Picked up the first issue of Magneto. Haven't read it yet.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on March 07, 2014, 01:29:15 am
Moon Knight is cool. We're going to end up talking a lot about it, I think. When Ellis wants to rock, he can fucking rock.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 07, 2014, 03:02:29 pm
I read Moon Knight #1 and it's bloody good. I'm not sold on the costume change, but Ellis had me keen to turn the page so that's all I need.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 07, 2014, 09:04:21 pm
Gentlemen, my socks are lying on the floor next to me.  "But why is that remarkable?" you may ask. "Your online persona projects an image of being unkempt, slovenly even.  Surely socks lying about is commonplace for one such as you."  Well not this time theoretical voice in my head.  It's because one Warren Ellis has knocked them off of me with his take on Moon Knight.  It reminds of when Alan Moore would take over WildC.A.T.s or Supreme and make a previously shaky concept make sense.  And the choice to make Moon Knight stark white with no shading whatsoever strikes me as wonderful.  He stands out from the world like the unfinished product that he is.  Moon Knight is Hawkeye for non-hipsters.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on March 07, 2014, 10:02:20 pm
She-Hulk #2 was a great second issue, with adventure and mirth.

 Indestructible Hulk #19 was me wasting my money on what until recently had been one of my fun picks. Is the whole Inhumanity thing this crap?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 08, 2014, 02:58:00 am
Moon Knight is Hawkeye for non-hipsters.

 :D  [goodpost]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on March 08, 2014, 10:30:18 am
The precedent for Eliis' Moon Knight started in his short run on New Avengers, which I recommend very highly. I really dig the suit and mask, but if that book was any indication, he'll wear a few different get-ups.

She-Hulk #2 had something I've never seen before- a costumed crimefighter (Patsy Walker, no less) getting a buzz before going to look for trouble, and fucking up as a result. This is fun on the level of Byrne's Sensational She-Hulk, a book that truly blew my young mind.

Marvel kicks ass these days.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 08, 2014, 11:10:38 am
Yep, She-Hulk is going to be one to watch.  I'm really curious what crazy cat lady did to scare off the other applicants.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on March 08, 2014, 12:20:50 pm
Cat? I thought that was some kina li'l monkey.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 08, 2014, 04:33:43 pm
I'm really enjoying the new take on The Punisher. It's nothing drastically different, just simplified and it works. There's subtle humour as Frank is shown to be a 'normal' guy. He's still a vigilante that kills criminals, but the heavy angst is gone.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on March 08, 2014, 05:58:49 pm
Might have to pick up #2. I liked #1 for the same reasons.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 08, 2014, 07:22:50 pm
#3 was good as well.  If you guys aren't reading The Activity from Image, get on that.  It's the same creative team.

And Rocko, you're right it was a monkey (probably some extra-terrestrial demon in disguise or other such wackiness), but she gave off the crazy cat lady vibe.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on March 09, 2014, 08:33:00 pm
Crazy Monkey Lady.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 09, 2014, 09:15:16 pm
#3 was good as well. 

Yeah, I liked how the Punisher acknowledged he was outgunned against someone like Electro so it was all down to strategy to survive.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on March 09, 2014, 09:17:00 pm
Is the lady-cop with the boobs that get in the way still in the picture?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 09, 2014, 10:21:25 pm
Is the lady-cop with the boobs that get in the way still in the picture?

I didn't read Rucka's run, but they address that the Lady Punisher won't be addressed in the near future in the letters page.  There is, however, a new lady cop.  So far her breasts haven't gotten in the way of anything.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on March 09, 2014, 10:48:57 pm
In the first issue, Frank tells her how she should be holstering her gun. She says "my boobs get in the way".  ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 10, 2014, 01:32:49 am
In the first issue, Frank tells her how she should be holstering her gun. She says "my boobs get in the way".  ;)

Yah, she's still around.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 10, 2014, 10:08:30 pm
Curse your razor-sharp memory!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 10, 2014, 11:47:56 pm
If you're a Nightcrawler fan then Amazing X-Men's first arc is good stuff. Issue #4 is full of win.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on March 11, 2014, 02:01:25 pm
I didn't read issue 4 yet, but can't say I'm in love with this series. I'll give it time to gel though. The All-New X-Men book is somewhat disappointing with the new bland uniforms. Angel's is okay, but Jean and Cyke are incredibly dull-looking. All New X-Factor has unique look and premise, but it's on a slow build.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 11, 2014, 04:07:32 pm
I didn't read issue 4 yet, but can't say I'm in love with this series. I'll give it time to gel though. The All-New X-Men book is somewhat disappointing with the new bland uniforms. Angel's is okay, but Jean and Cyke are incredibly dull-looking. All New X-Factor has unique look and premise, but it's on a slow build.

I'm not thrilled about any of the X-titles at the moment. "All new" has run its course and I'm bored with the whole "original X-Men" thing. X-Men started out well, but all the characters I like are going (Rogue, Kitty) and being replaced with ones I couldn't care less about (Monet, Omega Sentinel). Uncanny is trying hard, but the cast is dull. Cyclops, Emma and Magneto are just boring.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on March 23, 2014, 05:50:28 pm
I'm not sure if it's the time of day when I read them, but I thought Winter Soldier: Bitter March #2 and Black Widow #4 were both a bit ho-hum.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 23, 2014, 06:04:12 pm
I'm not sure if it's the time of day when I read them, but I thought Winter Soldier: Bitter March #2 and Black Widow #4 were both a bit ho-hum.

Thankfully Mr Barnes is turning up elsewhere a bit so I've not felt the need to pick up the mini.

All New Invaders #3 was good stuff. In addition to the big three (plus Bucky), they've just recruited Aarkus (Golden Age Vision) which is pretty cool. Even more so, it's worth it for the last page.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 24, 2014, 10:38:29 pm
I'm not sure if it's the time of day when I read them, but I thought Winter Soldier: Bitter March #2 and Black Widow #4 were both a bit ho-hum.

I'm not sure if it's the time of day when I read them, but I thought Winter Soldier: Bitter March #2 and Black Widow #4 were both a bit ho-hum.

Thankfully Mr Barnes is turning up elsewhere a bit so I've not felt the need to pick up the mini.

All New Invaders #3 was good stuff. In addition to the big three (plus Bucky), they've just recruited Aarkus (Golden Age Vision) which is pretty cool. Even more so, it's worth it for the last page.

All New Invaders #3 was good stuff. In addition to the big three (plus Bucky), they've just recruited Aarkus (Golden Age Vision) which is pretty cool. Even more so, it's worth it for the last page.


I'm digging the Winter Soldier, although he's not exactly in the book.  Invaders is getting better, more JSA-like, with each issue.  Reading the letters page it seems that Robinson definitely has some long term plans.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 24, 2014, 11:28:35 pm
I'm digging the Winter Soldier, although he's not exactly in the book.  Invaders is getting better, more JSA-like, with each issue.  Reading the letters page it seems that Robinson definitely has some long term plans.

I hope so. I'd love to think that Marvel could give up one of their 82 Deadpool books for a comic devoted to their Golden Age characters. In addition to the All-Winners/Liberty Legion guys, I'd love to see The Fin, The Destroyer, Flexo, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on March 26, 2014, 06:29:32 pm
Started reading the latest volume of New Warriors. Pretty damn good book. Plus they dusted off the High Evolutionary.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 26, 2014, 07:36:21 pm
Started reading the latest volume of New Warriors. Pretty damn good book. Plus they dusted off the High Evolutionary.

Yeah, there are times I miss "costumed crooks" as writers try to be real world.

The latest Uncanny Avengers is pretty epic. In fact, so much so I'm surprised it wasn't a Marvel 'Event'. Certainly a better concept than A vs X.

Wolverine and the X-Men is losing me a bit. The core group of X-Men I care about seem scattered to the four winds. This book is actually just X-Academy, but they're throwing Wolverine in there to sell it.

Anyone know what happened to Colossus once the Cable book was cancelled? He's missing, Rogue is dead, Kitty (still not Shadowcat) has jumped ship to Uncanny (ugggh). At least Storm is still somewhat prominent.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on March 26, 2014, 08:35:47 pm
Agreed on Uncanny Avengers, they really went epic with the story, and it shows no signs of stopping!

WatXM was ALWAYS X-Academy. I like books like that though. But even 'my' X-Men are scattered to the wind. Not sure who yours are but mine were the latest 'next generation' group...


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 27, 2014, 12:15:35 am
Agreed on Uncanny Avengers, they really went epic with the story, and it shows no signs of stopping!

WatXM was ALWAYS X-Academy. I like books like that though. But even 'my' X-Men are scattered to the wind. Not sure who yours are but mine were the latest 'next generation' group...

If I could have a team of 8:

1. Storm (Team Leader)
2. Wolverine
3. Rogue
4. Colossus
5. Nightcrawler
6. Shadowcat
7. Psylocke
8. Beast

....and really, 7 & 8 could even be interchangeable with Havok & Polaris, Iceman and Angel, Longshot and Dazzler, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on March 27, 2014, 12:30:14 am
Ok. That band (or at least most of it) will eventually get back together.

My X-Men are
X-23
Hellion
Rockslide
Dust
Anole
Elixir
And Pixie


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 27, 2014, 12:43:53 pm
I never read that series.  I kind of regret it now as I'm not familiar with the characters when they show up.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on March 27, 2014, 01:49:53 pm
It was pretty fun.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: KOLOBOSREXX on March 27, 2014, 03:20:50 pm
...MY ideal X-Men (and time-period for reading their books!)  was ALWAYS the early to late 90's!! (Hey, put those rocks down!!) [mwaha]  It was for me and my gal at the time, the most fun to read and follow!  The X-Men were two squads, consisting of  Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Gambit, Jean Grey, Iceman, Beast, Colossus, Archangel, Psylocke, Jubilee, and Bishop, with some help from Banshee & Forge.  X-Force was the rogue millitant proactive attack force, with Cable, Shatterstar, Domino, Cannonball, Warpath, Boom-Boom, Siryn, Rictor, & Sunspot.  X-Factor was the "government-sanctioned" team with Havoc, Polaris, Strong-Guy, Madrox... There was awesome events like "Executioner's Song", Great villains like Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Sabretooth, Magneto & the Brotherhood, Stryfe...


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on March 27, 2014, 04:56:28 pm
I hear the New Ghost Rider is awful.

Though I hear Silver Surfer and Daredevil are good.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 27, 2014, 05:49:04 pm
I never read that series.  I kind of regret it now as I'm not familiar with the characters when they show up.

Yeah, this is me too. I have no idea who most of them are....codename or powers.

I agree with KB too, the 90s were fun with the Gold and Blue teams.....but my preference is just that little bit earlier, circa UXM 190-230.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on March 27, 2014, 05:58:43 pm
X-23- Wolverine, but one you can masturbate to.
Hellion- Uber telekinetic, yeah we have a lot of those but he eventually was able to build telekinetic arms when his got blown off.
Rockslide- A purely psychic entity now that his true body was incinerated, able to blow apart and reassemble his body made of stone.
Dust- Made of sand. Similar to Rockslide, she can become a living sandstorm. Marvel's first muslim character.
Anole- Lizard. Can stick to walls, has a prehensile tongue, can blend like a chameleon, loves the cock.
Elixir- healer, but also has the ability to kill, after somehow absorbing Teammate Wither's power.
And Pixie- has magic pheromones.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 27, 2014, 06:01:16 pm
Thanks Blis.

I think I'm across most of those...it's some of the others like the Mercury chick, the one with the diamond head and rocky bits sticking out of it.
Hellion is the one who has been around forever?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 27, 2014, 09:35:55 pm
Weren't there multiple squads, with Hellion the leader of the Hellions?  Teach us uncle B-Lister!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 27, 2014, 09:36:45 pm
I hear the New Ghost Rider is awful.

Though I hear Silver Surfer and Daredevil are good.



I haven't read Ghost Rider or Surfer yet, I'll let you know what I think.  Surfer was an automatic pull.  I picked up Ghost Rider because I've been liking Moore's covers for Secret Avengers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on March 27, 2014, 11:19:22 pm
Haven't read Ghost Rider yet, but Surfer was OK. Allred's art is up to scratch, but the story kinda bored me. Only a first issue though.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on March 27, 2014, 11:27:23 pm
Weren't there multiple squads, with Hellion the leader of the Hellions?  Teach us uncle B-Lister!

At first, but once a sufficient number were slaughtered, they only had enough for one.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on March 29, 2014, 12:33:34 am
Finished Winter Soldier. Next up is finishing the stack of Wolverine and the X-Men.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 29, 2014, 04:32:54 pm
I loved Silver Surfer.

Slott has me interested and Allred's art was gorgeous.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: KOLOBOSREXX on April 01, 2014, 03:54:43 pm
I hear the New Ghost Rider is awful.

Though I hear Silver Surfer and Daredevil are good.


...Dammit, Really??   >:(  And here I was excited that Ghost Rider & Moon Knight, my two FAVORITE Marvel characters, both had books starting this month...  I will still have to sheck them out though!  The thing about GR though...  There are still TWO GUYS running around  the Marvel Universe as Ghost Riders!  Dan Ketch AND Johnny Blaze are both still out there!  I can understand wanting a "new" take to bring in new readers, as poor ol' Ghostie has one of THE MOST CONVOLUTED HISTORIES IN COMIC-HISTORY!!  Sigh... They really need to refine the characters' stories and resolve them to some extent, before bringing in a "hip, edgy kid" for a new take on the character, IMHO... >:D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 01, 2014, 04:36:04 pm
Thanks Blis.

I think I'm across most of those...it's some of the others like the Mercury chick, the one with the diamond head and rocky bits sticking out of it.
Hellion is the one who has been around forever?

Mercury is....Mercury. Her power is that of Mercury the element.

Hellion hasn't been around long. As for the diamond headed one, I'm not sure who you mean.

Possibly Bling!? If so, not a major player.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on April 01, 2014, 07:31:45 pm
I hear the New Ghost Rider is awful.

Though I hear Silver Surfer and Daredevil are good.


...Dammit, Really??   >:(  And here I was excited that Ghost Rider & Moon Knight, my two FAVORITE Marvel characters, both had books starting this month...  I will still have to sheck them out though!  The thing about GR though...  There are still TWO GUYS running around  the Marvel Universe as Ghost Riders!  Dan Ketch AND Johnny Blaze are both still out there!  I can understand wanting a "new" take to bring in new readers, as poor ol' Ghostie has one of THE MOST CONVOLUTED HISTORIES IN COMIC-HISTORY!!  Sigh... They really need to refine the characters' stories and resolve them to some extent, before bringing in a "hip, edgy kid" for a new take on the character, IMHO... >:D

I thought Ghost Rider was totally fine, as first issue origin stories go.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 01, 2014, 07:41:00 pm
Well, that's what happens when I base my info entirely on the opinion of others.

I've heard nothing but great things about it from those who actually buy comics.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on April 01, 2014, 08:00:18 pm
Like I said I picked up All-New Ghost Rider based on the art.  Turns out I liked the book tremendously.  Tradd Moore's art blew my already pretty high expectations out of the water. It was dynamic, but clear (such a rare combo).  And Y6R, you should check out his women folk.  Right up your alley.  The story did run the risk of a cliche, but you like the main character anyway.  In a non-derogatory way it reminded me of a 90's origin a la Ghost Rider (Danny) and Darkhawk.  It's a little darker than mainstream, but not so much that it loses the Marvel taste.

I'll go so far as to say  [thumbs up]

Also, I know people hate relaunch after relaunch, but the relaunch of Secret Avengers more than deserved the brand new #1 on it.

Moon Knight #1 was awesome as we've talked about.   Silver Surfer was quite good, although it made me long for a Joe Casey/Team Allred team-up.  Iron Patriot #1 was so-so.  That might need some time to build. 

Black Widow and She-Hulk are good recent launches with much different tones.

Other books I'm reading these days I can recommend to a broad audience:

Thor: God of Thunder
Hawkeye (although it walks a fine line of being too much)
Superior Foes of Spider-Man
Thunderbolts
Nova
East of West
Manhatten Projects
Velvet


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 01, 2014, 08:21:37 pm
Thor: God of Thunder
Hawkeye (although it walks a fine line of being too much)
Superior Foes of Spider-Man
Thunderbolts
Nova
East of West
Manhatten Projects
Velvet

Thor is indeed most awesome!

The back to basics Punisher is good too.

I'm liking Hulk, but the constant rotation of artists is hurting it a bit.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 01, 2014, 08:43:46 pm
I've been reading Nova.

Picked up New Warriors as a result. Pretty good stuff.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on April 01, 2014, 08:57:01 pm
Everything that Chooch says about the books I've read.  :D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on April 01, 2014, 11:16:02 pm
Hawkeye (although it walks a fine line of being too much)

Glad, you said it. It's been dragging lately. That last issue, I was reading it and thinking "This is Hawkeye, one of my favorite books, and they're riffing on Elliot Gould in Long Goodbye, one of my favorite movies...why am I not loving this?" Maybe because it was super delayed for so long, but probably mostly because if it's not Aja, it just doesn't feel quite right.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on April 02, 2014, 07:51:13 am
Ha!  I actually thought that was supposed to be Columbo.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on April 02, 2014, 12:52:32 pm
No, that's totally Gould as Phillip Marlowe in Robert Altman's Long Goodbye. The cat food, the old car, the "It's OK with me" line and attitude. His Marlowe was a man sleepwalking out of time. Great movie, great take on the character. Done justice in the first Hawkeye appearance, not so much the last.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihnR30yCGAc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u0uo0TxS-I


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 08, 2014, 05:44:33 pm
Moon Knight #2 =  [thumbs up]

Still really enjoying th Punisher too.

Anyone reading Origin II? Not really doing it for me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 11, 2014, 12:03:41 pm
Ms. Marvel is the first female character to get Masterworked.

http://www.collectededitions.com/marvel/mm/msm/msm_mm01.html

Don't know what the delay is with Ghost Rider and Luke Cage, but I'm happy to see this volume. It was a decent title that featured a fairly wide array of Marvel characters including Vision, Namorita, Tiger Shark, Wundarr, the Elementals, the Avengers and yes, even Captain Marvel. Deathbird and Mystique (as Raven Darkholme) both debuted in this series.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 11, 2014, 06:48:01 pm
Ms. Marvel is the first female character to get Masterworked.

http://www.collectededitions.com/marvel/mm/msm/msm_mm01.html

Don't know what the delay is with Ghost Rider and Luke Cage, but I'm happy to see this volume. It was a decent title that featured a fairly wide array of Marvel characters including Vision, Namorita, Tiger Shark, Wundarr, the Elementals, the Avengers and yes, even Captain Marvel. Deathbird and Mystique (as Raven Darkholme) both debuted in this series.

Do you know if it reprints the Rogue story that was completed before Avengers Annual #10?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 11, 2014, 06:50:30 pm
Didn't get to issue 2 of Avengers Undercover. Daikon Hellstrom as a flunky of Zemo is not working for me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 14, 2014, 08:41:01 am
Ms. Marvel is the first female character to get Masterworked.

http://www.collectededitions.com/marvel/mm/msm/msm_mm01.html

Don't know what the delay is with Ghost Rider and Luke Cage, but I'm happy to see this volume. It was a decent title that featured a fairly wide array of Marvel characters including Vision, Namorita, Tiger Shark, Wundarr, the Elementals, the Avengers and yes, even Captain Marvel. Deathbird and Mystique (as Raven Darkholme) both debuted in this series.

Do you know if it reprints the Rogue story that was completed before Avengers Annual #10?

Not the first volume. I think it's been suggested that the Rogue story could be included in the second volume. The second volume will also include material from what would have been the final two issues -- that was finally printed in the 90s in Marvel Super-Heroes. Will probably also include some unpublished covers and promos.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on April 15, 2014, 06:39:44 pm
The new Iron Fist has started really strong. Kaare Andrews is doing everything, taking a page out of Steranko's book. I recommend people get on this quick.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on April 15, 2014, 09:42:54 pm
I liked it.  I probably would have loved it if it wasn't so soon after the Brubaker/Aja/Fraction run.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on April 15, 2014, 10:25:35 pm
If 6 years' ago is that soon...  ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on April 15, 2014, 11:27:54 pm
6 years, fuck...

My copy is on hold at my LCS.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on April 16, 2014, 08:00:23 am
If 6 years' ago is that soon...  ;)

Get off my lawn.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 19, 2014, 03:34:30 pm
The new Iron Fist has started really strong. Kaare Andrews is doing everything, taking a page out of Steranko's book. I recommend people get on this quick.

It's on my pull list, but won't get to the shop until next week. I really liked the previewed pages.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 25, 2014, 08:23:04 am
A new Elektra series debuted this week. While I've had a fondness for the character since her debut in the early 80s, I know she hasn't always been handled properly. Anyway, I was intrigued enough by the preview to give it a shot. I haven't read the book yet, but the last page suggests that this series will be a hoot. I'll post additional thoughts after I actually read the entire issue.

On a related note, Black Widow has been very good. Much stronger opening than her previous solo series. Though I loved Acuna's artwork, the story just didn't prop the character as a debut arc should. And fuck Wolverine!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 25, 2014, 06:38:57 pm
A new Elektra series debuted this week. While I've had a fondness for the character since her debut in the early 80s, I know she hasn't always been handled properly. Anyway, I was intrigued enough by the preview to give it a shot. I haven't read the book yet, but the last page suggests that this series will be a hoot. I'll post additional thoughts after I actually read the entire issue.

On a related note, Black Widow has been very good. Much stronger opening than her previous solo series. Though I loved Acuna's artwork, the story just didn't prop the character as a debut arc should. And fuck Wolverine!

There are some weird choices for solo series ATM.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 30, 2014, 09:22:31 am
Okay, Elektra #1.

The artwork is painted -- don't know if it's done traditionally or digitally. It's more in the vein of David Mack than Greg Horn or Alex Ross. It employs a muted palette, but visually, the style fits the character. The story is by Blackman -- the guy who worked with J.H. Williams on Batwoman. The tone and style is very similar to that series, which is a bit frustrating. There are a few new characters introduced in this series. The first is Matchmaker, Elektra's go-to gal for getting a contract. The character appears to be a flapper who hasn't aged since the 20s. She also knows some stuff about Elektra's personal life, e.g., her relationship with Daredevil.

One of the new characters is seen only in flashbacks -- and he is one of my big problems with the opening story. Apparently, Cape Crow is the assassin's assassin. He's so good that when an assassin's task force consisting of Bullseye, Sabre-Tooth and Taskmaster ambushes him, they have their asses handed to them. There is even a weird homage, probably unintended, to The Two Towers when Sabre-Tooth rushes to a nearby pond to extinguish his flaming head. I find it a bit troublesome that someone so formidable suddenly pops out of the woodwork. On top of that, he's supposed to have been around for many years -- at least early 20th century.

The other new character would fit in well with some of the rogues Batwoman faced in her series. He's called Bloody Lips -- and he acquire new stills and information by eating parts of people. He is able to track down a SHIELD imprisoned Bullseye by eating parts (or all) of various SHIELD agents. He's also seen in flashback eating the hearts of his wife and children. Visually he looks like one of the cannibals from the Naked Prey. Apparently both he and Elektra are going after the Cape Crow. This brings us to the last page of the story where Elektra leaps from Matchmaker's airplane toward her destination of a very nicely-illustrated Monster Island.

Despite some reservations concerning the story, it's a decent lead off for the series -- and Monster Island should be fun.

Preview of issue #2: http://marvel.com/news/comics/2014/4/25/22396/investigate_cape_crow_in_elektra_2


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 30, 2014, 08:45:49 pm
Great summary KC.

Yeah, I too have issues with the concept of introducing new characters that have been around forever yet never mentioned by anyone. If there was someone who could beat Bullseye, Taskmaster and Creed then he'd be the top hand-to-hand guy in the MU.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on May 07, 2014, 08:07:23 pm
Yeah, I too have issues with the concept of introducing new characters that have been around forever yet never mentioned by anyone.

So say we all. The very reason Sentry now resides in the same Nowheresville as Poochey now.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 07, 2014, 09:00:07 pm
Yeah, I too have issues with the concept of introducing new characters that have been around forever yet never mentioned by anyone.

So say we all. The very reason Sentry now resides in the same Nowheresville as Poochey now.

...and the Blue Marvel currenlty appearing in Mighty Avengers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on May 07, 2014, 10:07:33 pm
So say we all. The very reason Sentry now resides in the same Nowheresville as Poochey now.

 [mwaha]  I freaking love POOCHEY references!!!  So point on...it says it all!!!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on May 08, 2014, 06:17:54 pm
Who's that art by? Looks like a cross between Larsen and Byrne, but not close enough.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 09, 2014, 05:19:27 pm
Triumph has one of the greatest costumes of all time.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: JQ3x29yz4a on May 10, 2014, 10:59:48 am
I hated Triumph. I liked Sentry and at first got the impression that he wasn't really around before but "now" was ... but later he seemed full retcon and I didn't like the overuse. Also when Simpsons Legos were announced I was hoping for Poochie. Maybe I'll start a campaign.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on May 12, 2014, 10:34:20 am
Pretty sure that's Phil Jimenez.

No way. That's way more Larsony than Perezy. I don't think Jimenez ever worked on any of the JL titles from that era. Closest he came was the JLA/Titans mini series.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 12, 2014, 06:19:13 pm
Silver Surfer #2 was great!!

Fun stuff and Allred's art suits the story really well.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on May 16, 2014, 02:01:40 pm
New Deathlok design = FAIL.

An obvious attempt to cross the bridge to the rather unimpressive TV version. It goes too far from the classic concept, IMHO.

http://www.newsarama.com/21140-check-out-deathlok-s-new-look-in-original-sins-1.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 17, 2014, 10:08:03 am
Nathan Edmondson and Mike Perkins = Win in my book though.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 22, 2014, 07:02:55 pm
Gerry Duggan is now writing Nova and I'm liking it more than when Loeb was writing it. His first arc has Beta Ray Bill so that's a win.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 22, 2014, 09:24:32 pm
Gerry Duggan is now writing Nova and I'm liking it more than when Loeb was writing it. His first arc has Beta Ray Bill so that's a win.

Gives me hope for when he takes over Hulk.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 05, 2014, 07:56:31 am
I recently got back in to comics after a year long hiatus. I picked up Iron Fist #1 and it was great. I have to go back and pick up the other issues. I have also been enjoying the current punisher and main Avengers comic.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 05, 2014, 10:07:23 pm
All great choices.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on June 05, 2014, 10:28:13 pm
Not sure what's happening with Superior Foes, but it's losing me at the moment. She-Hulk is still great. Liked Silver Surfer #2 more than #1.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 06, 2014, 01:47:27 pm
I finally read Silver Surfer #1 last week and enjoyed it more than I had expected. Not sure how this series got added to my pull list. I suspect it's a holdover from the Annihilation mini-series. I guess that was the last time the Surfer had a series.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 06, 2014, 07:02:23 pm
Not sure what's happening with Superior Foes, but it's losing me at the moment.

The latest issue seemed to get things back on track.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 11, 2014, 09:14:16 pm
As a bit of a tie-in to a comment made in last week's Original Sin #3 (which was pretty good), who do you guys think are the top 10 (or fewer) marksmen in the Marvel Universe? Just curious.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 11, 2014, 10:12:26 pm
Interestingly I wouldn't have originally thought to put the Punisher on the list.  He seems more like a Close Quarters + Bullet Volume = Dead Bad Guys kind of guy.  Clearly they're putting Bucky on that list, which makes sense.

Others:

Hawkeye(s)
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/129924/2974126-hawkeye+009-019.jpg)

Bullseye(s)
(http://sniktbub.wdfiles.com/local--files/file:616056-19bullseye-full/616056-19bullseye_full.jpg)
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15659/2132816-lady_bullseye_black_panther_525.jpg)

Crossfire
(http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/c_1d/crossfire.gif)

Deadpool
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/062/9/4/g_i__joe_x_deadpool_by_m7781-d78c2ga.jpg)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: JQ3x29yz4a on June 12, 2014, 01:25:36 am
Some may be dead but my list would include ...

Crossfire
Hitman
Scourge
Misty Knight
Bloodstone
Fantomex
Silver Sable
Taskmaster
Scalphunter

Actually if Bloodstone weren't dead I'd expect him to be the killer. Not sure if his kids are up to it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 12, 2014, 07:10:50 pm
Chooch, I admire your commitment to the list with the visual aids. Does Forge make the list? Didn't he kill Skullbuster with a sniper rifle?
Also want to add these characters to the list of top marksmen:
John Garret
Solo
Paladin
Winter Soldier
Black Widow


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 12, 2014, 07:38:33 pm
Actually if Bloodstone weren't dead I'd expect him to be the killer. Not sure if his kids are up to it.

Bleeding Cool is speculating it is him.  I think it's actually the real Nick Fury.  The one that didn't see any secrets is an LMD.  Maybe.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 12, 2014, 07:39:41 pm
And all solid choices.  I guess it's easier to get to ten than I thought.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 12, 2014, 07:57:40 pm
And all solid choices.  I guess it's easier to get to ten than I thought.
When I first started thinking about it I couldn't come up with very many. Then I let you guys do the heavy lifting.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 15, 2014, 10:31:06 pm
Well I'm really enjoying Orignal Sin. I put my faith in the fact that it's not just a single writer, but a good writer. Aaron is fast becoming a fave of mine as his Thor is the top of my reading list every month.

As for the list of people who could make "the shot", military/intelligence service doesn't a sniper make. I'd be inclined to either go for obvious people like Winter Soldier, Fury, etc, or people who could use their enhanced abilities to assist such as Taskmaster.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on June 15, 2014, 10:53:44 pm
I didn't think he was supposed to be any good at superhero stuff (his run on Thor doesn't count). Maybe he's turned a corner?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 16, 2014, 04:48:24 am
I didn't think he was supposed to be any good at superhero stuff (his run on Thor doesn't count). Maybe he's turned a corner?

Wolverine & The X-Men is fine if you're prepared to accept it as x-Men light so I'd add that to the win list. I enjoyed his runs on Wolverine and Hulk, but haven't read his Ghost Rider.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 16, 2014, 09:00:02 am
Was at the LCS for the first time in weeks on Saturday, and found myself very ambivalent over most of the mainstream titles. DC, of course, is dead to me. But Marvel's two biggest franchises -- Avengers and X-Men seem a mess. Too many titles with the same characters. And events have killed characterization -- especially in Avengers.

That said, I liked the look of Cyclops #1 and picked it up -- didn't read it yet. I liked Original Sin #2. Props for making the big bad an obscure Ghost Rider villain.

I'm counting on Savage Hulk to remind me of how fun comics used to be.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 16, 2014, 08:59:10 pm
Avengers World has been good for more in depth stories and character development.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 16, 2014, 10:06:44 pm
I'm trying to think of something Aaron has done that's overtly super-heroy.  Maybe his run on Wolverine?  I think the fact that he isn't so mainstream is what makes his work good.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 17, 2014, 07:43:26 am
Haven't read all that much of Aaron. The first work of his I read was the Get Mystique arc in Wolverine. That was pretty good. But his Amazing X-Men run hasn't been all that amazing. Dropped.

I'm actively avoiding any Avengers title written by Hickman. I enjoyed his early Fantastic Four issues, but his stories started lagging around the time Steve Epting took over as artist. His first few issues of Avengers turned me off.

I'm enjoying All-New X-Factor. It still seems to exist in its own bubble of reality, but it has a loose tie to Uncanny Avengers, while the art isn't fantastic, it's good enough -- and gets points for style.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 25, 2014, 12:28:31 pm
The real Guardians of the Galaxy are back in Guardians 3000. Now I don't feel so bad about dropping the current series.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=53674


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 25, 2014, 07:20:38 pm
The real Guardians of the Galaxy are back in Guardians 3000. Now I don't feel so bad about dropping the current series.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=53674


I look forward to this book.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 25, 2014, 08:38:18 pm
I'm not sold on the art, but I'll be down for the book.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 25, 2014, 11:29:10 pm
The real Guardians of the Galaxy are back in Guardians 3000. Now I don't feel so bad about dropping the current series.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=53674


I look forward to this book.

I'll give it a whirl as Abnett is always good value.

All male team. No Nikki?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: JQ3x29yz4a on June 25, 2014, 11:34:40 pm
What I don't like is that these aren't the classic Guardians from their original, alternate timeline -- they're the Guardians of the mainstream Marvel future. And yeah, that cover art looks awful.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 26, 2014, 07:21:01 am
I've never been a fan of Sandoval's art, but the kiddies will probably like it. There is feedback regarding the lack of Nikki and Aleta from the lineup. I preferred Aleta when she shared her existence with Starhawk (I wasn't into the 90s series by Valentino). Nikki was also absent from the short in the anniversary issue. Guess we'll have to wait and see what's up.

More info at Newsarama. There will be female characters -- including the new girl introduced in issue 14 of GOTG. He also said there is a female on the cover -- you just can't see her properly. Pretty sure that's alluding to Aleta -- so hurray. I'm betting, though, that fans of the 90s series will not be as accepting of that development.

http://www.newsarama.com/21436-marvels-old-guardians-up-to-new-tricks-in-guardians-3000.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 26, 2014, 04:58:00 pm
I think it's a lose/lose proposition as everyone has a version they'd like to see.

Me? I just miss Bug from the DNA version, but then I want the entire Micronauts back.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 27, 2014, 12:18:34 pm
I'd love for Marvel to get the Micronauts license back -- if just to see the classic Mantlo/Golden issues collected.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 30, 2014, 08:09:25 am
Finally read Iron Fist #3 this weekend. While I'm not crazy about another story where a classic supporting character is killed off for dramatic effect, overall this first arc has been pretty amazing. Yeah, we're only 3 issues in, but this is one of the better books Marvel is currently publishing.

Also read All-New Invaders #4 and was very underwhelmed. Honestly, I don't think I want to read a present-day Invaders ongoing. The team dynamics just don't work as well in present day. And Steve Rogers' voice is way off, IMHO. I have a couple more issues in my box, but I think I'll be dropping this.
 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: JQ3x29yz4a on June 30, 2014, 04:19:14 pm
I'm ok with the Invaders but found Tanalth the Pursuer annoying. I can't really say why. It's not that Korath had a better costume or more personality, and at least she's not a cackling long-haired, long-fingernailed charicature. She just bugs me. I have to admit to guilty pleasure though ... in some interview or other James Robinson alluded to her being a "big girl" expanding the options for cosplayers. I was kind of glad I didn't see any Tanalth cosplayers at Wonder Con >:D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 01, 2014, 03:01:13 am
Also read All-New Invaders #4 and was very underwhelmed. Honestly, I don't think I want to read a present-day Invaders ongoing. The team dynamics just don't work as well in present day. And Steve Rogers' voice is way off, IMHO. I have a couple more issues in my box, but I think I'll be dropping this.

The whole Invaders in space is all a bit weird.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 01, 2014, 07:22:44 pm
Clearly they should have called the series Space Invaders.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 01, 2014, 07:59:53 pm
Clearly they should have called the series Space Invaders.

*point*  :D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on July 05, 2014, 05:20:34 pm
Moon Knight has been pretty good, though I have heard that Warren Ellis won't be writing it much longer. Additionally, Iron Fist has been enjoyable as well as Punisher. I think they have done a good job of incorporating super-villains while still keeping Punisher at the edge of the Marvel Universe.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 05, 2014, 06:43:46 pm
Moon Knight has been pretty good, though I have heard that Warren Ellis won't be writing it much longer. Additionally, Iron Fist has been enjoyable as well as Punisher. I think they have done a good job of incorporating super-villains while still keeping Punisher at the edge of the Marvel Universe.

 [exactly]

Punisher has been a good read.

I don't know why Ellis isn't staying on MK. It's one of Marvel's best reads


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 05, 2014, 10:20:06 pm
Moon Knight has been pretty good, though I have heard that Warren Ellis won't be writing it much longer. Additionally, Iron Fist has been enjoyable as well as Punisher. I think they have done a good job of incorporating super-villains while still keeping Punisher at the edge of the Marvel Universe.

 [exactly]

Punisher has been a good read.

I don't know why Ellis isn't staying on MK. It's one of Marvel's best reads

When was the last time he did more than six issues of anything?  Nextwave?  And yes, I'm loving Punisher and agree about the edges.  The only downside is that the writer now has three unfinished projects at Image.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on July 05, 2014, 10:54:44 pm
Yep, I don't think Ellis is interested in any long-term deals with anyone but himself anymore, and he can afford to make that call. He ditched comics totally for a while to focus on writing a novel and magazines columns. Not sure if any of that is happening at the moment.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 06, 2014, 12:04:48 am
Yep, I don't think Ellis is interested in any long-term deals with anyone but himself anymore, and he can afford to make that call. He ditched comics totally for a while to focus on writing a novel and magazines columns. Not sure if any of that is happening at the moment.

Wouldn't that be sweet? "Hey Wazza, wanna write a Moon Knight relaunch?", "Hmmm...lemme think it over and get back to you. I might consider six issues for some play money".


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Freak Studio on July 06, 2014, 01:42:34 am
I haven't read MK yet, but from what I hear, looks like Ellis is stealing... I mean... Paying homage to other creator ideas with it...  :D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 06, 2014, 10:47:19 am
More like he's trying to make sense of all that has come before.  Like a smaller scale of Morrison's "every story counts" Batman.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 06, 2014, 07:04:56 pm
Still digging Silver Surfer.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on July 07, 2014, 07:13:07 pm
I'm still enjoying Original Sin and decided to give Spider-Man a second chance now that he's back to being amazing.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 08, 2014, 09:19:13 am
I don't read Spider-Man, but I'm none to happy concerning the new direction that Slott is taking the Black Cat.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 08, 2014, 10:05:09 pm
I'm still enjoying Original Sin  and decided to give Spider-Man a second chance now that he's back to being amazing.

The Fury thing was pretty interesting. But this story really needs to pick up the pace. Plus,the idea that all these "sins" people have hidden being out in the open is a worthy plot point, but it seems you have to go off and read a bunch of other titles to find out what they are. Poo-poo to that.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 08, 2014, 10:17:48 pm
I quite literally have no idea what is going on in Hickman's Avengers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 10, 2014, 09:23:02 am
I just dropped Mighty Avengers and dropped Hickman's Avengers long ago. So my only Avengers fix comes from Uncanny Avengers and the yearly Archives. They're almost up to the issue where I started reading -- 141 with the awesome Gil Kane Squadron Supreme cover (incorrectly labeled as the Squadron Sinister on the cover).

I'm considering giving the new Deathlok series a shot. I doubt that it will be around long, but the preview pages looked good.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 10, 2014, 10:37:16 pm
I just dropped Mighty Avengers and dropped Hickman's Avengers long ago. So my only Avengers fix comes from Uncanny Avengers and the yearly Archives. They're almost up to the issue where I started reading -- 141 with the awesome Gil Kane Squadron Supreme cover (incorrectly labeled as the Squadron Sinister on the cover).

I'm considering giving the new Deathlok series a shot. I doubt that it will be around long, but the preview pages looked good.

It's taken awhile, but Remender has finally redeemed Rogue for me. It was cheesy and over too quickly, but she's alive and while and no longer whiny and angry so that's a win.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 11, 2014, 07:02:12 am


It's taken awhile, but Remender has finally redeemed Rogue for me. It was cheesy and over too quickly, but she's alive and while and no longer whiny and angry so that's a win.

Spoilers!!!  [gah]

Kidding. Like I thought for one second that she wouldn't be back.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on July 11, 2014, 07:03:58 pm
I agree that Hickman's Avengers is all over the map but Secret Warriors is still an all time favorite of mine so I will stick with him a while longer.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 11, 2014, 09:15:25 pm


It's taken awhile, but Remender has finally redeemed Rogue for me. It was cheesy and over too quickly, but she's alive and while and no longer whiny and angry so that's a win.

Spoilers!!!  [gah]

Kidding. Like I thought for one second that she wouldn't be back.

Sorry  [whistle]

It's tough for me as she's my fave gal and used to be everywhere including leading X-Men Legacy. Suddenly she's nowhere except Uncanny Avengers and then she's a casualty of the story. Ugggh.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 13, 2014, 06:04:30 pm
Remender's second (way too-long) arc was poorly executed. All this hubub about joining the two teams, bringing back the Scarlet Witch -- and then? The book may as well been called The Incredibly Annoying Apocalypse Twins. Hopefully that will all be behind us after next issue (please tell me that's the finale?!).

On the other hand, the first issue of Savage Hulk was nothing but fun -- perfect read for a summer's day. It's nice to see X-Men in brightly-colored costumes with no Canadian in sight  ;D. One critic dismissed this story because being set in the past, there couldn't be any consequences of note for the characters. I see his point, but I think their could be seeds planted in that story that take root in present time. Even if they don't, I'm enjoying this tale from Marvel's hey day.

Oh, I picked up A World -- becuase: the art looked good, Spider-Woman was featured, Morgan Le Fey (who debuted in SW's first series) was the big bad. It was an okay issue, but Star Brand and Nightmask can go away when Hickman is off Avengers.

What do you guys think of Carol Danvers' current look. Some artists make it look okay -- when the blue parts are very dark. But no one can make that shitty fauxhawk helmet look good.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 13, 2014, 08:39:49 pm
Remender's second (way too-long) arc was poorly executed. All this hubub about joining the two teams, bringing back the Scarlet Witch -- and then? The book may as well been called The Incredibly Annoying Apocalypse Twins. Hopefully that will all be behind us after next issue (please tell me that's the finale?!).

I hear that. I'm ready for the next story.


What do you guys think of Carol Danvers' current look. Some artists make it look okay -- when the blue parts are very dark. But no one can make that shitty fauxhawk helmet look good.

It's pretty ordinary. I prefer the black suit and the long blonde hair. It's slightly dated, but she was identifiable and coming into her own nicely.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 14, 2014, 07:27:22 am
Yeah, ordinary is a good word for it.

She really tends to blend into the background-- and overall, it's kinda generic (except for the helmet -- which is a stupid addition, IMHO). People who like the new outfit call people who don't sexists. I don't really care if her thighs are exposed or not -- it's a comic book! But the Cockrum design had pizazz, whereas this new Captain Marvel one doesn't.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on July 14, 2014, 07:46:52 am
Other than the helmet, I really love the new look. It makes a shitload more sense as a functional costume (especially as a hat tip to being a pilot).

Also, my money says that's pretty much the costume we'll see in the movies.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 14, 2014, 06:41:33 pm
Other than the helmet, I really love the new look. It makes a shitload more sense as a functional costume  (especially as a hat tip to being a pilot).

Also, my money says that's pretty much the costume we'll see in the movies.

Are you new to comics?  :D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on July 14, 2014, 08:47:56 pm
No, but my daughter is  ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 15, 2014, 08:56:19 am
Other than the helmet, I really love the new look. It makes a shitload more sense as a functional costume (especially as a hat tip to being a pilot).

Also, my money says that's pretty much the costume we'll see in the movies.

Well, some version of it, perhaps. This is definitely a case where I'd like to see the move people come up with something better and the comics change to reflect it.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 15, 2014, 05:49:14 pm
So Thor is becoming a chick and Captain America is standing aside for someone else to wear the costume.

Great time to be reading comics.  :-\


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Scotty on July 16, 2014, 06:49:32 am
So Thor is becoming a chick and Captain America is standing aside for someone else to wear the costume.

Great time to be reading comics.  :-\

Thor Chick will make a groovy action figure though :)  [runaway]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 16, 2014, 10:44:44 am
Bah. We already had Thor Girl in the early 2000s -- and even Thordis is you count the 70s What If (I do).

And hasn't Valkyrie always somewhat been a female Thor? Whatevs.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 16, 2014, 06:25:01 pm
Bah. We already had Thor Girl in the early 2000s -- and even Thordis is you count the 70s What If (I do).

And hasn't Valkyrie always somewhat been a female Thor? Whatevs.

Not to mention Sif. Apparently Marvel are doing this to appeal to female readers and draw in new readers....because y'know getting two movies made with Chris hemsworth starring as well as having him in the second biggest movie of all time did so much to attract new readers.

Thor Chick will make a groovy action figure though :)  [runaway]

You won't be laughing when we get her over Sif, The Enchantress, Polaris, Hela, Dazzler, etc, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Scotty on July 16, 2014, 08:31:48 pm
You won't be laughing when we get her over Sif, The Enchantress, Polaris, Hela, Dazzler, etc, etc.

I fully expect to see a She-Thor toy before any of those.  :(


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 16, 2014, 09:12:24 pm
Shor?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on July 16, 2014, 09:52:32 pm
Not to mention Sif. Apparently Marvel are doing this to appeal to female readers and draw in new readers....because y'know getting two movies made with Chris hemsworth starring as well as having him in the second biggest movie of all time did so much to attract new readers.

This isn't just about drawing in new readers. Marvel is making a quiet, but conscious effort to make the universe less embarrassing to a broader non-bloke audience (see also previous discussion about Captain Marvel). Whereas DC is still pushing the gritty boys club view of the world.

Also, Aaron has been largely praised for what he's been doing on Thor, so quit your bitching and moaning.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 16, 2014, 11:46:32 pm
Also, Aaron has been largely praised for what he's been doing on Thor, so quit your bitching and moaning.

No.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Scotty on July 17, 2014, 12:53:37 am
Also, Aaron has been largely praised for what he's been doing on Thor, so quit your bitching and moaning.

No.
Also, Aaron has been largely praised for what he's been doing on Thor, so quit your bitching and moaning.

No.

 [popcorn]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 17, 2014, 08:06:43 am

You won't be laughing when we get her over Sif, The Enchantress, Polaris, Hela, Dazzler, etc, etc.

Nailed it.

And though I agree that Marvel is attempting to offer more female friendly-fare, I'm on Hype's side that She-Thor is a recycled 90s sales gimmick. The stories may be good, but it's still a stunt.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 17, 2014, 06:58:00 pm
But seriously guys, Shor.  I think it's going to catch on.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 17, 2014, 07:06:37 pm
....and Captain America is a black dude.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 19, 2014, 09:48:36 pm
Silver Surfer #4 is still more whacky goodness with superb Allred art.

Once upon a time Spider-Man would guest star to pimp a title. For the last decade (or two) it's been Wolverine. Who would have thought that it'd eventually be the Guardians of the Galaxy?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 19, 2014, 09:52:24 pm
"Deadly hands of Kung-Fu" is writeen by Mike Benson and drawn by Tan Eng Huat....

....and I'm just not feeling it. I love Shang-Chi and this isn't him. He's just a guy in jeans and a leather jacket wandering around trying to solve a murder of someone we don't really care about. Even when there's a fight it's not particularly interesting. A clash with Razorfist is short and boring. The best thing is the Dave Johnson covers featuring Shang in a new costume we don't see anywhere inside.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 19, 2014, 11:07:40 pm
Once upon a time Spider-Man would guest star to pimp a title. For the last decade (or two) it's been Wolverine. Who would have thought that it'd eventually be the Guardians of the Galaxy?

Yeah, Rocket may just be the first break out character since Wolverine.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 19, 2014, 11:08:39 pm
"Deadly hands of Kung-Fu" is writeen by Mike Benson and drawn by Tan Eng Huat....

....and I'm just not feeling it. I love Shang-Chi and this isn't him. He's just a guy in jeans and a leather jacket wandering around trying to solve a murder of someone we don't really care about. Even when there's a fight it's not particularly interesting. A clash with Razorfist is short and boring. The best thing is the Dave Johnson covers featuring Shang in a new costume we don't see anywhere inside.

Agreed.  I usually dig Tan Eng Huat, but whoever is inking him seems to be using a house painter's brush.  Ucky.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 20, 2014, 02:37:43 am
"Deadly hands of Kung-Fu" is writeen by Mike Benson and drawn by Tan Eng Huat....

....and I'm just not feeling it. I love Shang-Chi and this isn't him. He's just a guy in jeans and a leather jacket wandering around trying to solve a murder of someone we don't really care about. Even when there's a fight it's not particularly interesting. A clash with Razorfist is short and boring. The best thing is the Dave Johnson covers featuring Shang in a new costume we don't see anywhere inside.

Agreed.  I usually dig Tan Eng Huat, but whoever is inking him seems to be using a house painter's brush.  Ucky.

I think you've nailed it. Either he's phoning it in and the inker is doing the best they can, or the inker has Saint Vitus Dance.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 23, 2014, 12:47:06 pm
Although the new Invaders series started with a bit of a wimper (the aforementioned 'Space Invaders' arc), it looks like there are some interesting developments coming down the pike. Interesting enough to keep me on board a few more months. Check out that awesome Deathlok cover!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54227


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 23, 2014, 07:06:11 pm
Although the new Invaders series started with a bit of a wimper (the aforementioned 'Space Invaders' arc), it looks like there are some interesting developments coming down the pike. Interesting enough to keep me on board a few more months. Check out that awesome Deathlok cover!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54227


Mostly agreed. I just wanted a nice quiet Marvel book I could enjoy that wasn't being fucked over by Marvel. All I wanted was Cap, Torch and Subby together. Anyone else is a bonus.....and now Cap is out.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 25, 2014, 08:20:43 am
It's way too soon for Cap to be stepping down again after Bucky Cap. But I'd accept Union Jack as Cap's replacement in Invaders. Bring along Jackie too, and I may continue reading.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 28, 2014, 10:59:35 am
So Spider-Woman is getting a third volume. Nice.

Mark Waid is writing a new SHIELD series starring the lame characters from the TV series. Pass.

Oh, and Angela is getting her own series. So who will be female Thor -- Valkyrie?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 28, 2014, 10:01:46 pm
Thor could be Jane Foster, but my gut says it's his new eco-girlfriend, Roz.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 28, 2014, 10:23:42 pm
I read "The Tenth Realm #1" and not even Aaron can save a lame idea


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: JackKnight on August 29, 2014, 12:10:19 am
Today's Marvel read was Tales to Astonish #48 where a man dresses as a Porcupine...only to use toxic gas as a weapon. ??? He however gets a pass when he attempts to drown Marvel's most sexist hero Ant-Man in a bathtub. And then the Wasp had to save his ass, (again) Fun stuff.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Titansfan on August 29, 2014, 08:15:23 am
Looks like the only comic I've really been reading is headed for cancellation.  Bleedin Cool says Invaders is on the chopping block.   :-[


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on August 29, 2014, 07:48:51 pm
I had to purge a bit recently for financial reasons and Invaders got cut from my list along with FF.  Robinson at Marvel doesn't seem to work for whatever reason.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on August 31, 2014, 06:52:55 pm
Poop!

I quite like that Invaders was relatively stand alone.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: JackKnight on September 01, 2014, 02:27:33 pm
Read Fantastic Four Annual # 1 today. Good read, but Stan Lee is long-winded enough when he has 24 pages. Yeesh. Loved the villain profile pages.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 01, 2014, 06:15:20 pm
Wolverine & The X-Men is really started to drag on for me. I don't like Quentin Quire and Apocalypse Jnr is not interesting enough to hold my attention so it's a bit of a bore. Hopefully now that Quire is gone we can move on to something else?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 01, 2014, 10:06:01 pm
You're not so lucky...

WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN #12
JASON LATOUR (W) • JORGE JIMENEZ (A)
Cover by MAHMUD ASRAR
AXIS TIE-IN!
• In the wake of THE DEATH OF WOLVERINE and the undertow of AXIS, QUENTIN QUIRE returns to the Jean Grey School. But who is this mild mannered, thoughtful young man in the pink sweater? And what does he REALLY want? And why is STORM so angry? • The course of the future of the Jean Grey School is altered forever, starting here!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

I actually dropped it at the end of the last story arc.  I was late to the game for Aaron's run and Latour's wasn't making sense to me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 01, 2014, 10:31:47 pm
You're not so lucky...

WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN #12
JASON LATOUR (W) • JORGE JIMENEZ (A)
Cover by MAHMUD ASRAR
AXIS TIE-IN!
• In the wake of THE DEATH OF WOLVERINE and the undertow of AXIS, QUENTIN QUIRE returns to the Jean Grey School. But who is this mild mannered, thoughtful young man in the pink sweater? And what does he REALLY want? And why is STORM so angry? • The course of the future of the Jean Grey School is altered forever, starting here!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

I actually dropped it at the end of the last story arc.  I was late to the game for Aaron's run and Latour's wasn't making sense to me.

*Groan*

Well it's an easy drop for me now.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Scotty on September 02, 2014, 06:18:21 am
Gotta agree - QQ does nothing for me either. :P


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 02, 2014, 07:27:45 pm
Gotta agree - QQ does nothing for me either. :P

I guess I've got this old timer vision of my X-Men and not one of the 27 current x-titles brings them together. Amazing X-men is close with Wolverine, Colossus and Nightcrawler together. Just need Rogue and Kitty and I'd be a happy little mutant.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: KOLOBOSREXX on September 03, 2014, 08:13:45 am
...Folks can shit-talk the 90's all they like, but the "blue & gold teams" era of X-Men along with Cable's X-Force & Havoc's X-Factor will ALWAYS be my favorite era of X-Men!!  This "mixing" of Avengers and X-Folks is just uninspired and silly, IMHO...


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 03, 2014, 07:19:47 pm
...Folks can shit-talk the 90's all they like, but the "blue & gold teams" era of X-Men along with Cable's X-Force & Havoc's X-Factor will ALWAYS be my favorite era of X-Men!!  This "mixing" of Avengers and X-Folks is just uninspired and silly, IMHO...

Yup, blue and gold were awesome.

I even more fond of the 190-220 period. Those I mentioned above plus Dazzler, Longshot, Storm (though with powers)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 04, 2014, 01:46:29 am
So anyone reading Moon Knight, or Black Widow, or She-Hulk? Hawkeye?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 04, 2014, 03:45:12 am
So anyone reading Moon Knight, or Black Widow, or She-Hulk? Hawkeye?

The first six issues of Moon Knight are awesome sauce.

I'll reserve my judgement of the post-Ellis scripts until there's a few out.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 04, 2014, 11:27:34 am
Ellis pulled a similar 6 issue trick with Secret Avengers, which was perhaps even better.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 04, 2014, 02:34:07 pm
So anyone reading Moon Knight, or Black Widow, or She-Hulk? Hawkeye?

Black Widow is a very solid espionage book. It's not really an Avenger/super hero book, but it's a good read.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 04, 2014, 11:53:10 pm
I'm pretty into it...except on weeks that Velvet is out at the same time.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on September 06, 2014, 09:06:17 am
*Possible Spoiler*



I just finished reading Original Sin. Kind if disappointed but it was a good premise and decent effort. What I don't understand is the fight between the Avengers and Fury in issue 7. Why does it come down to Thor having to stop Fury? I get it that Fury was wearing a battle suit. I like Fury. A lot. But I feel that Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers could have handled fury pretty easily. I feel like she has been misused in the Avengers books lately.  Sorry, just a mini rant.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 06, 2014, 11:52:35 am
I'm just glad they didn't kill him off completely, although making him a deity or whatever the hell he's supposed to be now is just then next best thing. Shades of Hal Jordan as Spectre, I guess.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 07, 2014, 03:58:53 pm
Shades of Hal Jordan as Spectre, I guess.

You just made me sad.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 07, 2014, 04:03:47 pm
******* ORIGINAL SIN SPOILERS **********




Well that was pretty piss poor. I like Aaron a lot, but that just went nowhere. So Fury had a job on the side, big deal. The Watcher died for.....not much that I can tell. In fact, I don't know that much of anything was revealed in the mini-series. Apparently, in order to know "what" was revealed I need to go read a bunch of other mini-series. That's bullshit.

It also felt like Aaron just chose characters that he wanted in the story regardless of how well they fit. Can you imagine Emma Frost taking over his role as the "Woman on the Wall"? The obvious choices were Bucky and Punisher so why go through the crap with everyone else. And why was the Orb even there?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 07, 2014, 04:05:57 pm
Largely agreed.  Orb was there because of the Eyeball theme.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on September 07, 2014, 05:10:34 pm
I agree. Yet another event that wasted my time and money.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 07, 2014, 06:21:19 pm
So, was "Original Sins" the mini where the actual secrets were revealed?

I'm not even sure what the fuck Dr Midas was there for either?

I can say that Dedato's art was some of the best of his career. Great detail work.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 07, 2014, 10:20:51 pm
Yeah, I can't believe they suckered me into it after I swore of events years ago. 40 bucks down the drain due to morbid curiosity about whether they were going to kill Fury or not.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Scotty on September 07, 2014, 10:59:44 pm
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

This is why I trade wait. 99% of the time this stuff isn't worth the money anymore.  [thumbs down]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 07, 2014, 11:36:25 pm
I guess I like that Marvel has elected to not outright "kill" Cap and Fury in order to replace them with versions that reflect the movieverse, but just made them old and decrepit so they're off the table until this whole movie thing blows over and someone undoes it so we get our characters back. I really wish the editors or whoever make these calls had the balls to just tell good stories about what they have.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 08, 2014, 06:59:53 am
If you're a Deodato fan, then I guess you weren't totally disappointed. Honestly, I've only read issues 1, 2 and 4. Guess I won't feel too bad if I don't get the rest. Gone are the days of good mini-event comics. Of course, I'm one of those who thought Secret Wars (the first one in the 80s) was a shitty comic.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 08, 2014, 04:04:02 pm
Of course, I'm one of those who thought Secret Wars (the first one in the 80s) was a shitty comic.

Blasphemy!  :D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 08, 2014, 09:00:42 pm
One of many things I learned from Sean Howe's Marvel: the Untold Story was that at the time, Secret Wars was regarded as a very shitty cash grab gimmick, and the response to it from fans and comic shop owners was that it was one of the worst comics ever.

I think that's pretty harsh. I like it OK. A lot of that is nostalgia, though.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 08, 2014, 09:37:57 pm
Secret Wars sold well though, didn't it?  Certainly enough to launch a crossoverevolution.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on September 08, 2014, 09:38:35 pm
I went on Wikipedia to find out the secrets from Original Sin:
There is a chick with spider mans powers
Angela is Thor's sister
Tony Stark had something to do with Bruce banner becoming the hulk
And dum dum Dugan has been an LMD since 1966
That last one got me a little. I really like Dugan.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 09, 2014, 12:54:05 am
Ugh. Not into any of that.

Secret Wars sold well though, didn't it?  Certainly enough to launch a crossoverevolution.

It sold huge! Biggest series of the 80's. But this was before the internet...and remember, the Star Wars prequels are some of the top grossing movies of all time. Geeks bitch, but geeks buy anyway.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 09, 2014, 01:06:59 am
I went on Wikipedia to find out the secrets from Original Sin:
There is a chick with spider mans powers
Angela is Thor's sister
Tony Stark had something to do with Bruce banner becoming the hulk
And dum dum Dugan has been an LMD since 1966
That last one got me a little. I really like Dugan.

Yawn.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 09, 2014, 07:28:37 pm
Tony Stark had something to do with Bruce banner becoming the hulk

He actually had sent Bruce an email, that Bruce deleted without reading because Tony was being an ass, that may have led Bruce to believe that something could go wrong with the bomb.  He must never tell Bruce about that email.  It ended up being pretty lame.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 09, 2014, 10:56:19 pm
Imagine Stan and Jack writing that. "He must never know...THAT I WARNED HIM! That e-mail -it must REMAIN MY ETERNAL SECRET- my eternal private shame!"


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 09, 2014, 11:06:48 pm
Imagine Stan and Jack writing that. "He must never know...THAT I WARNED HIM! That e-mail -it must REMAIN MY ETERNAL SECRET- my eternal private shame!"

 :D

I'm not as fussed on the Dugan one. Not just because Dugan has been offed before and brought back, but it's that old thing about his "essence" is intact, it's just in an artifical body.

I'm still not sure what the woody is over Angela is though? I mean who gives a fuck? Unless Marvel has signed Gaiman on for some super secret project and this was part of the terms?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 10, 2014, 12:30:10 am
They've really blown it with Fury, and have ever since the Infinity Formula became a thing. As soon as they took the very mortal top cop and made him this immortal guy, along with finding ways to do the same with his supporting cast, they started to screw up the basic concept. As the post Vietnam "we can't trust the government" thing took hold, Fury and SHIELD became something it really didn't need to be.

I get why they went the ways they did- continuity is a big deal to geeks. But it's up to the storytellers to ultimately transcend the questions we fans cook up and focus on telling good stories that are true to the characters. It's not cool to slam guys like Mark Gruenwald, especially since he's gone, but they should've just brushed aside the whole "Howling Commandos" WW II history, or updated it to Vietnam or Desert Storm or Iraq 20 years from now, and not sweat it.

There's a real fallacy to expecting every story ever told by a comic company to have to still be true and exact in regards to every other story told in the present and the future. And they pick and choose, anyway. Case in point- Reed Richards and Ben Grimm used to be WW II vets, too. Arent' you glad they aren't 100 year olds in continuity today, with some harebrained explanation?

Goofy is a dog that talks, drives a car, and owns a house. Pluto is a dog that runs around on all fours and is smaller than his mouse owner. He just is. There's this theory that's kicked around by megafans of James Bond that every movie version is a guy who took on the name "James Bond" as a government title. That's fun to think about and conjecture- but that never needed to be in any movie as canon. It's not condusive to good storytelling in the long run. This kind of stuff just sets shackles on future creations.

Fury should be a smart, tough guy pushing 50 who is in over his head in a world of super beings engaged in endless battles. He should be finding ways to triumph over ISIS/Al Qaeda style villains using his wits and fantastic gadgets in a book written by somebody really smart with art by Butch Guice, Phil Noto, or someone else who can draw sexy violence. He shouldn't be an old man inexplicably watching everything that happens in the galaxy from the fucking moon.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 10, 2014, 08:57:44 am

Secret Wars sold well though, didn't it?  Certainly enough to launch a crossoverevolution.

It sold huge! Biggest series of the 80's. But this was before the internet...and remember, the Star Wars prequels are some of the top grossing movies of all time. Geeks bitch, but geeks buy anyway.

It was huge. I think, though, that it was eclipsed by Crisis on Infinite Earths in sales and definitely in quality. I don't know what happened to Jim Shooter in the 80s, but his second run on Avengers was hugely disappointing --- his Secret Wars didn't really any depth. The biggest things to come out of it were Spidey's black costume (which it turned out was him copying Spider-Woman II's outfit, She-Hulk joining the FF and the aforementioned Spider-Woman II -- though she was never as interesting as Spider-Woman I). Titania also debuted in Secret Wars, but she seemed like a weak rip-off of Thundra to me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 10, 2014, 11:49:29 am
it was a series designed to sell toys, so it wasn't going to be too controversial, I guess. Shooter has said that he wrote it because if he gave it to either Byrne or Claremont, they would've used the privilege as a blunt object against the other.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 10, 2014, 08:39:31 pm
Some really good points Rocko.

To some extent I've never had a problem with the infinity formula as way of slowing Nick's aging if they wanted to maintain that he was in WWII. But then they'd need to do this with Dugan, etc. However, Marvel don't seem that keen on maintaing their history these days. It's almost as if the moment the Marvel movies took off it's been the driving force we see in comics and they're embarrassed of their print history now.

You can tell that all these changes are being driven by Marvel Senior Exec (or higher). The people who make the decisions but don't even read the comics. I'm certain that in passing one of the bosses saw an image of Nick and said "Why isn't he black?", "Well, it's because...", "I don't care, get it done". The changes are everywhere, from Wolverine's claws coming out between his knuckles instead of the tops of his hands to Cap's "Helmet".

Sadly, Marvel are making so much money off their characters from movies to merchandising that I wish they could have left the comic universe the fuck alone and let the people who have supported them all these years have a little something for themselves.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on September 10, 2014, 09:16:53 pm
I agree. I hate that Cap helmet. Nick Fury is a great character but they need to pave the way for Nick Jr.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 10, 2014, 10:23:37 pm
I agree. I hate that Cap helmet. Nick Fury is a great character but they need to pave the way for Nick Jr.

Why not have both?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 10, 2014, 11:03:03 pm
I feel like the Nick Fury Jr. thing is completely unnecessary. Imagine if after the Batman movie in 1989, they replaced Bruce Wayne with "Bruce Wayne Jr.," a guy with brown hair, and his Batman wore a black costume, but he otherwise was another Batman.

Whoever is making these decisions should understand that the comics set this trend, not the other way around. Literally thousands of movie and TV fads have come and gone, and the stories of these characters have been continually in print the entire time. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 11, 2014, 09:54:25 pm
Nick Fury, Sr. wasn't exactly doing much before Original Sin though.  He pretty well sidelined himself long before now.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 12, 2014, 03:12:10 am
Yeah, because the writers or whoever made that decision want Nick Fury to look like an actor who plays the role in movies. I was at least kind of alright with the character as established hanging back and hanging out, that's at least a bit true to what the essence of Nick Fury is. Making him a magic old man on the moon or whatever the hell he's supposed to be now, since they couldn't be bothered to explain it, is just a dumb scenario the next writer who does anything with him will have to come up with some far fetched and absurd explanation to undo the mess. And Fury is supposed to be a regular guy! That's the worst thing. The whole point of what Fury is has been eradicated.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 12, 2014, 12:37:30 pm

Sadly, Marvel are making so much money off their characters from movies to merchandising that I wish they could have left the comic universe the fuck alone and let the people who have supported them all these years have a little something for themselves.


For better or worse, the comics that they may be embarrassed about -- are what led to the films. Yeah, the films have taken on their own thing, but they wouldn't exist without the comics. They should have left those alone -- because (and I know there are rare examples to the contrary) the people who go to see the films will never buy or read the comic books!

I think it's time to give up on the big franchises like X-Men and Avengers. There are too many hands in the pot. I've realized that I'll never enjoy another issue of either series as much as those that came before. I'm only reading All New X-Men and Uncanny Avengers (which admittedly have their moments), but nothing like the Avenger or X-Men of the Bronze Age.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: KOLOBOSREXX on September 12, 2014, 02:11:54 pm
Yeah, because the writers or whoever made that decision want Nick Fury to look like an actor who plays the role in movies. I was at least kind of alright with the character as established hanging back and hanging out, that's at least a bit true to what the essence of Nick Fury is. Making him a magic old man on the moon or whatever the hell he's supposed to be now, since they couldn't be bothered to explain it, is just a dumb scenario the next writer who does anything with him will have to come up with some far fetched and absurd explanation to undo the mess. And Fury is supposed to be a regular guy! That's the worst thing. The whole point of what Fury is has been eradicated.

...Cues up REM's "Man on the Moon"...  Oddly appropriate! >:D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 13, 2014, 05:28:51 pm

For better or worse, the comics that they may be embarrassed about -- are what led to the films. Yeah, the films have taken on their own thing, but they wouldn't exist without the comics. They should have left those alone -- because (and I know there are rare examples to the contrary) the people who go to see the films will never buy or read the comic books!


You could say the same about the Execs who run the company too.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 17, 2014, 10:46:31 pm
"Death of Wolverine #1" wasn't half bad. Charles Soule is thinking outside the box a little with some interesting concepts. My favourite part of issue #1 was the conversation between Reed Richards and Logan where Reed says that Wolverine is at risk of dying from any number of conditions now that his healing factor is gone. One of which is from leukemia because his adamantium has absorbed radiation over the years (particularly since he was at the bombing of Nagasaki and his healing factor had prevented it from before.

The WTF moment of the issue though is the inclusion of Nuke. In Soule's notes it's implied he's only sporadically appeared since Miller introduced him over 30 years ago. Soule notes that he's seen better days having gained weight, etc. All well and good, but it shows Marvel editors don't talk to each other as he was a major aggressor in a recent Captain America arc that resulted in his death.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 18, 2014, 12:28:00 am
Didn't he already lose his healing factor once, too?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 18, 2014, 12:49:52 am
Didn't he already lose his healing factor once, too?

Yeah, in teh awesome movie  ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 18, 2014, 11:43:42 am
Not in the comic?

Or am I just thinking about when he lost his adamantium?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 18, 2014, 09:47:07 pm
Didn't he already lose his healing factor once, too?

I'm positive that he lost it before, possibly in the late 90s. 

Very, very interesting posts, guys.  I read practically NO modern comics, MARVEL or DC, but I follow the solits religiously.  I can tell you that I HATE the idea of movies having too heavy an influence on what goes on in the comics.  I like garish costumes.  I like secret identities staying secret.  I like characters not really aging.

I wish MARVEL would just do a separate line of comics based SOLELY in the Movie Universe.  Let them have all the dark leather uniforms, actors likenesses, and grounded stories they want, and let the 616 Universe stay 'silly'.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 18, 2014, 11:17:23 pm
I bet in like 10 or 20 years after the fad has ended (If it does- I think of people in the 80's who thought Rap was a trend that would vanish), Marvel will be into trying to have its cake and eat it too by saying the movie universe is an alternate earth and have books that take place there.

I do give them points for killing or thoroughly fucking up most of the Ultimate characters and keeping that shit crazy, even if I don't care about most of those books.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 19, 2014, 12:23:41 am
Yup. Agreed. The sooner it's over the better.

I was just fucking around Rocko when I mentioned the Wolverine movie. He did lose his healing factor when he lost the Adamantium. It's what cause him to go all feral and monstery (and lose his nose) for a while there. The return of the healing factor reverted him to 'normal'


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 19, 2014, 12:35:49 am
I thought he lost the metal and had the factor, then got the metal back and lost the factor. But I wasn't paying attention at all at that point.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: KOLOBOSREXX on September 19, 2014, 02:15:25 pm
"Death of Wolverine #1" wasn't half bad. Charles Soule is thinking outside the box a little with some interesting concepts. My favourite part of issue #1 was the conversation between Reed Richards and Logan where Reed says that Wolverine is at risk of dying from any number of conditions now that his healing factor is gone. One of which is from leukemia because his adamantium has absorbed radiation over the years (particularly since he was at the bombing of Nagasaki and his healing factor had prevented it from before.

The WTF moment of the issue though is the inclusion of Nuke. In Soule's notes it's implied he's only sporadically appeared since Miller introduced him over 30 years ago. Soule notes that he's seen better days having gained weight, etc. All well and good, but it shows Marvel editors don't talk to each other as he was a major aggressor in a recent Captain America arc that resulted in his death.

...Nuke NEVER DIES!!!! [mwaha]  He's been killed... Repeatedly!! 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 19, 2014, 05:14:04 pm
"Death of Wolverine #1" wasn't half bad. Charles Soule is thinking outside the box a little with some interesting concepts. My favourite part of issue #1 was the conversation between Reed Richards and Logan where Reed says that Wolverine is at risk of dying from any number of conditions now that his healing factor is gone. One of which is from leukemia because his adamantium has absorbed radiation over the years (particularly since he was at the bombing of Nagasaki and his healing factor had prevented it from before.

The WTF moment of the issue though is the inclusion of Nuke. In Soule's notes it's implied he's only sporadically appeared since Miller introduced him over 30 years ago. Soule notes that he's seen better days having gained weight, etc. All well and good, but it shows Marvel editors don't talk to each other as he was a major aggressor in a recent Captain America arc that resulted in his death.

...Nuke NEVER DIES!!!! [mwaha]  He's been killed... Repeatedly!! 

For sure. But it's like Soule had no idea of the recent Cap story.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 26, 2014, 10:46:27 pm
BOOM!

http://deadline.com/2014/09/jack-kirby-marvel-settlement-lawsuit-supreme-court-hearing-841711/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 27, 2014, 02:02:27 am
BOOM!

http://deadline.com/2014/09/jack-kirby-marvel-settlement-lawsuit-supreme-court-hearing-841711/

I hope that in addition to the kids profiting healthily off their father's work, we see those nice touches such as "Created by..." on the first page of Thor comics, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 27, 2014, 11:38:52 am
i don't know if the Norse legend Thor is the best example, but I agree.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 27, 2014, 04:15:21 pm
i don't know if the Norse legend Thor is the best example, but I agree.

What's this Norse Legend thing?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on September 28, 2014, 01:45:33 am
It's something white supremacists in prison are really into.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 08, 2014, 08:51:39 am
The latest version of X-Factor has been cancelled.

I liked it, but it was such a slow burn, and I think that's always been my problem with Peter David. He's talented, but his stories evolve so slowly. Quicksilver is going to an Avengers book, and I guess Gambit will show up on another X-team. Polaris -- who knows?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 08, 2014, 10:44:15 pm
The new Moon Knight was good. Still enjoying it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 10, 2014, 09:33:34 am
Secret Wars?  Really?  Somewhere Jim Shooter is smiling.  ::)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 10, 2014, 10:07:33 pm
Secret Wars?  Really?  Somewhere Jim Shooter is smiling.  ::)

I loved Secret Wars.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on October 11, 2014, 04:06:51 am
Seems to have potential to me. Hickman is solid, and at the very least, this could mean some obscure versions of characters get figures.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/10/nycc-2014-jonathan-hickman-revives-the-secret-wars-at-marvel


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 11, 2014, 10:21:08 pm
I'm in based on Hickman alone.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 12, 2014, 02:06:56 pm
I liked Hickman on Fantastic Four. But I've done a 360 on him since he took over Avengers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on October 12, 2014, 03:47:32 pm
Hickman's Secret Warriors is one of my favorite series so I keep hanging in there hoping his Avengers will get better. I think his technique is to overwhelm. The reader with details and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 12, 2014, 06:06:38 pm
I liked Hickman on Fantastic Four. But I've done a 360 on him since he took over Avengers.

I'm the same. The current Avengers title just drags.

People keep going on about how Hickman builds up to something big. I don't give a fuck. I don't want to build up to something big if the build up is slow and boring.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: JQ3x29yz4a on October 13, 2014, 12:02:42 pm
Hickman? What is it, a 1,000 issue limited series full of nothing characters that he's in love with and shoves down our throats? Brand new villains that he creates and are The Greatest Threat To Any And Everything Everrrrr? Oh look, it's the newest Avenger, Obnoxio the Clown.

This might be one I try out at the LCS before actually buying it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 13, 2014, 04:53:55 pm
Hickman? What is it, a 1,000 issue limited series full of nothing characters that he's in love with and shoves down our throats? Brand new villains that he creates and are The Greatest Threat To Any And Everything Everrrrr? Oh look, it's the newest Avenger, Obnoxio the Clown.

This might be one I try out at the LCS before actually buying it.

To be fair, he might be more interesting than the new Starbrand, the Hyperion who isn't Hyperion and the black teleporting dude.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 13, 2014, 07:36:38 pm
You guys need to (re-)read Infinity.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 14, 2014, 01:11:19 pm
You guys need to (re-)read Infinity.

Did it somehow get magically re-written?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 14, 2014, 01:22:42 pm
Oh, another short-lived series about to debut -- Gamora.

http://www.newsarama.com/22434-nycc-2014-women-of-marvel-panel-it-is-still-ugly-out-there.html

Yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy was a success, but come on!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 14, 2014, 09:04:44 pm
Oh, another short-lived series about to debut -- Gamora.

http://www.newsarama.com/22434-nycc-2014-women-of-marvel-panel-it-is-still-ugly-out-there.html

Yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy was a success, but come on!

I suspect the main reason female solo series die is that they suck. I don't care if the title character is male female or some weird alien. Write good stories and I'll read it. Start a Rogue monthly and I'm in. I'm reading Storm and it's 'ok'.

Personally, I looking forward to the Gamora series. Marvel needs a title about a giant flying space turtle.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 14, 2014, 09:17:42 pm
Also, East of West and The Manhatten Projects.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: JQ3x29yz4a on October 14, 2014, 09:43:22 pm
To be fair, he might be more interesting than the new Starbrand, the Hyperion who isn't Hyperion and the black teleporting dude.

I had to really think to remember that teleporting dude is not the dude in the ball gown.

You guys need to (re-)read Infinity.

I thought you liked us :(

Personally, I looking forward to the Gamora series. Marvel needs a title about a giant flying space turtle.

Ooh I hope Godzilla and the Shogun Warriors show up!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 15, 2014, 07:29:20 am
Also, East of West and The Manhatten Projects.

Couldn't get past the art on the Manhattan Projects. Wasn't my thing.

A friend of mind who has read those works and Hickman's Marvel projects feels he's better on his own stuff, and dropped Avengers (as I did after the first five or six issues). Are they still wasting a two-page spread on that stupid diagram in Avengers? Sheesh! Don't waste pages trying to look like a film -- two separate mediums!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 15, 2014, 06:28:30 pm
Couldn't get past the art on the Manhattan Projects. Wasn't my thing.

That's understandable, if a little surprising.  I think of it as a more reliable Frank Quitely.

A friend of mind who has read those works and Hickman's Marvel projects feels he's better on his own stuff, and dropped Avengers (as I did after the first five or six issues). Are they still wasting a two-page spread on that stupid diagram in Avengers? Sheesh! Don't waste pages trying to look like a film -- two separate mediums!

Hickman's always been very design-oriented, that's part of the appeal for me.  I could be wrong, but I don't think the diagrams are included in the 20 page count.  Anyway, to see effective use of such pages check out Nightly News or Pax Americana.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 15, 2014, 06:40:49 pm
Interesting side note about Secret Wars:

Tchotchkes: When Marvel announced Secret Wars, it talked more about the merchandise than the actual story. The original Secret Wars featured a heavy toy tie-in from Mattel, and 2015’s Secret Wars will feature products from Hasbro, Upper Deck, Hot Topic, Funko and Gentle Giant. Marvel already has long working relationships with each of these companies, but it’s assumed this means they’ll each be making products related specifically to Secret Wars itself.

http://www.newsarama.com/22454-marvel-comics-secret-wars-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 15, 2014, 06:46:06 pm
It all makes perfect sense.  Marvel Legends certainly needs a shot of caffeine.  And to get a jump start from a comic makes me glad.  Even though I probably won't buy any.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 15, 2014, 07:20:25 pm
It all makes perfect sense.  Marvel Legends certainly needs a shot of caffeine.  And to get a jump start from a comic makes me glad.  Even though I probably won't buy any.

What Marvel Legends needs is for Marvel to stop being fucking assholes over X-Men and FF franchises.

Then find a way to get small waves of four figures each through places like Diamond so Walmart and the like can piss off.

Bitter? Moi?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 15, 2014, 07:44:25 pm
You really think there's a lack of X-Men figures?  If there is a lack of X figs, it's probably economic.  Avengers happen to be the hot ticket now.

And Marvel isn't really being a bunch of assholes.  It's just Ike as far as I can tell.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on October 15, 2014, 08:55:17 pm
Couldn't get past the art on the Manhattan Projects. Wasn't my thing.

That's understandable, if a little surprising.  I think of it as a more reliable Frank Quitely.

I just flicked through the first issue again (in the new hardcover), and it's amazing how consistent Pitarra's style has remained throughout. Fill-ins by Ryan Browne have been perfect, too.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 15, 2014, 09:45:21 pm
You really think there's a lack of X-Men figures?  If there is a lack of X figs, it's probably economic.  Avengers happen to be the hot ticket now.

And Marvel isn't really being a bunch of assholes.  It's just Ike as far as I can tell.

I didn't say anything about a "lack". I want more X-men and FF characters in my ML, not more Captain Americas.

What's the difference between Marvel and Ike?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on October 15, 2014, 11:31:24 pm
You keep talking about all these Captain Americas in ML, but I don't feel like there's enough. There hasn't been a classic standard one in like 13 years. I hope they make another one of those. I want a version of every kind of Captain America there's ever been. I want a black suited "Captain" from when he wasn't the guy anymore, I want him in the scuba dude suit he wore in the Jack Kirby comic that was my first issue with Captain America in it, I want a comic accurate WW II version.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: JQ3x29yz4a on October 16, 2014, 01:24:28 am
Maybe we'll get Marvel Legends in 30th Anniversary Secret Wars packaging for $30!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 16, 2014, 08:07:58 am
You really think there's a lack of X-Men figures?  If there is a lack of X figs, it's probably economic.  Avengers happen to be the hot ticket now.

And Marvel isn't really being a bunch of assholes.  It's just Ike as far as I can tell.

I didn't say anything about a "lack". I want more X-men and FF characters in my ML, not more Captain Americas.

What's the difference between Marvel and Ike?

Well when you put it that way... ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 16, 2014, 04:18:34 pm
You keep talking about all these Captain Americas in ML, but I don't feel like there's enough. There hasn't been a classic standard one in like 13 years. I hope they make another one of those. I want a version of every kind of Captain America there's ever been. I want a black suited "Captain" from when he wasn't the guy anymore, I want him in the scuba dude suit he wore in the Jack Kirby comic that was my first issue with Captain America in it, I want a comic accurate WW II version.

I have one in the classic uniform from the Face Off series and that's enough for me. I only display one version of the character at any time. So I don't need another Cap if it's at the expense of pretty much the whole Alpha Flight, Defenders, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 16, 2014, 06:29:11 pm
Far as I can tell. there are thirteen Captain America figures and three Buckys in the legends line.  This DOES include variants.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 16, 2014, 06:57:18 pm
Maybe we'll get Marvel Legends in 30th Anniversary Secret Wars packaging for $30!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKXlJqZzkXo&feature=player_detailpage


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on October 16, 2014, 10:22:19 pm
I have one in the classic uniform from the Face Off series and that's enough for me. I only display one version of the character at any time. So I don't need another Cap if it's at the expense of pretty much the whole Alpha Flight, Defenders, etc.

The face off one is solid, I have the regular and the maskless variant, but since he's got the "utility belt" and treaded boots and sort of more Brubaker era trappings like that, I don't think of him as the "classic" version, since I'm a big geek about Cap. And since he's leaning forward, you can only really pose him a couple of ways. I feel an ultimate (not "Ultimate") Cap has still eluded my grasp.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 17, 2014, 04:27:06 am
I have one in the classic uniform from the Face Off series and that's enough for me. I only display one version of the character at any time. So I don't need another Cap if it's at the expense of pretty much the whole Alpha Flight, Defenders, etc.

The face off one is solid, I have the regular and the maskless variant, but since he's got the "utility belt" and treaded boots and sort of more Brubaker era trappings like that, I don't think of him as the "classic" version, since I'm a big geek about Cap. And since he's leaning forward, you can only really pose him a couple of ways. I feel an ultimate (not "Ultimate") Cap has still eluded my grasp.

Yup, completely agree. They've yet to nail it perfectly. Face off is as good as it gets. The numerous ultimate and NOW Caps all look the same to me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on October 18, 2014, 12:45:22 am
And what's weird is they keep doing classic Cap in the small line. No problems, there.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on October 24, 2014, 06:30:19 am
Has anyone been reading Axis?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 24, 2014, 03:25:22 pm
Has anyone been reading Axis?

Yeah, I caved because it's not Bendis. I said that about the whole Watcher thing too and that was a waste of time and money. Surprisingly, Remender still has my interest after three issues of this series.

I did read Hobgoblin #1 which was a SIXIS....sorry, AXIS tie-in and it was shit.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on October 24, 2014, 03:55:10 pm
Cool. I've been thinking about reading the main series.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 24, 2014, 07:28:50 pm
The main series is not very great, at least so far.  Remender is a great writer, but his attempts at larger crowds has him tackling characters that he doesn't necessarily have a good grasp on.  Kubert on the first two issues was painful.  Is it just me or is he getting worse with age?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 24, 2014, 07:33:59 pm
The main series is not very great, at least so far.  Remender is a great writer, but his attempts at larger crowds has him tackling characters that he doesn't necessarily have a good grasp on.  Kubert on the first two issues was painful.  Is it just me or is he getting worse with age?

I struggle with Remender's need to have everyone say witty things as part of a battle.

Leinil Yu's art in #3 was a relief after Kubert. Yeah, his art sucks now.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 24, 2014, 07:38:38 pm
The main series is not very great, at least so far.  Remender is a great writer, but his attempts at larger crowds has him tackling characters that he doesn't necessarily have a good grasp on.  Kubert on the first two issues was painful.  Is it just me or is he getting worse with age?

I struggle with Remender's need to have everyone say witty things as part of a battle.


Yeah, the party scene at the end of the last issue of Cap was painful, then it rolled into the first issue of Axis.  He's clearly capable of spectacular dialogue in smaller moments.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 25, 2014, 03:12:27 pm
The main series is not very great, at least so far.  Remender is a great writer, but his attempts at larger crowds has him tackling characters that he doesn't necessarily have a good grasp on.  Kubert on the first two issues was painful.  Is it just me or is he getting worse with age?

Is that Adam, because I still like Andy's work -- though I haven't seen it recently.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 25, 2014, 03:50:04 pm
Yeah, I had to check, but yeah it's Adam.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 25, 2014, 07:14:42 pm
Yeah, I had to check, but yeah it's Adam.

It's kinda sad, because I'm used to artists struggling to do monthly comics and it showing in their art. John Romita Jr is like that now. But when they're doing event titles and have more than a month to do it, you kind of expect their best. Steve McNiven's art on Death of Wolverine is superb.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: KOLOBOSREXX on October 27, 2014, 06:11:46 pm
...Soooo... "Death of Wolverine"...  Lol... [whistle]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 27, 2014, 08:43:46 pm
...Soooo... "Death of Wolverine"...  Lol... [whistle]

I just finished it. As a story, pretty good in the scheme of things. The process that created him is kinda the one that finished him. The best thing about this story is that there's now a few less comics I will need to read for a while. No Wolverine. No Wolverine & The X-Men. I'm not bothering with Captain America until Steve comes back, etc. What will I do with all this newfound wealth?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 27, 2014, 09:22:41 pm
What will I do with all this newfound wealth?

In my experience, getting married takes care of that problem for you.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 27, 2014, 11:48:29 pm
What will I do with all this newfound wealth?

In my experience, getting married takes care of that problem for you.

You presume I'd pass on the info that I'm saving some money?

Then again, I've started picking up the Dark Horse Predator and Aliens stuff so easy come, easy go.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: derekwc on October 31, 2014, 11:12:53 pm
I just read Guardians 3000 #1 the other night. In no small sense of coincidence, I watched Edge of Tomorrow right before. The sci-fi plot/premise is pretty much exactly the same. If you haven't seen or read one or the other, it's pretty much sci-fi Groundhog Day. I am a big fan of the O.G. Guardians though, so I'll continue to the next issue.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 17, 2014, 07:24:40 pm
Silver Surfer #7 proves again why it's Marvel's best title. Not just because it's devoid of Wolverine, events/crossovers and angsty people grimacing a lot, but because Dan Slott and Michael Allred are largely left alone to do what they want. It's a shame that this book will no doubt be cancelled shortly.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 19, 2014, 02:21:19 pm
I don't know how long I will support Guardians 3000 with that shitty 90s art. It's such a contrast from the classic interpretation of the characters by Alex Ross on the covers.

Silver Surfer is still on my pull list. I'm kind meh about it  -- same with Invaders (which just aren't as interesting set in present day).



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 19, 2014, 09:24:49 pm
I don't know how long I will support Guardians 3000 with that shitty 90s art. It's such a contrast from the classic interpretation of the characters by Alex Ross on the covers.

The preview art is what kept me from picking up the series.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on November 19, 2014, 10:41:17 pm
I like Silver Surfer more in principle than practice and didn't keep at it, but I'm enjoying Daredevil, She-Hulk, Black Widow, finally getting to read Miracleman, and waiting for Hawkeye's last issue so I can get it over with.

I hated to write that last part.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 20, 2014, 07:26:54 pm
The last issue of She-Hulk will likely hit before the last issue of Hawkeye.  But there is a new book coming:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56204

Could be fun.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 20, 2014, 08:27:19 pm
The last issue of She-Hulk will likely hit before the last issue of Hawkeye.  But there is a new book coming:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56204

Could be fun.

It's critically acclaimed. Time to shut that sucker down and relaunch.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on November 21, 2014, 10:43:30 pm
I don't mind so much. Fraction and Aja aren't fired, they're checking out. Might as well relaunch.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 22, 2014, 05:33:12 pm
I picked up the final issue of Thunderbolts and realised that I hadn't read it for about 10 issues. Started catching up and I quite like it. Bit of a shame.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 22, 2014, 10:47:20 pm
Yeah, it was a fun ride, but I thought they ended it appropriately.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on November 23, 2014, 07:12:50 am
I read Avengers World 15 last night. The one with Dr Doom on the cover. It was pretty good and featured some characters that I haven't seen in awhile. Unfortunately it is a tie in to Axis.  The new Punisher was pretty good. I have enjoyed that series so far.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 23, 2014, 03:31:44 pm
I read Avengers World 15 last night. The one with Dr Doom on the cover. It was pretty good and featured some characters that I haven't seen in awhile. Unfortunately it is a tie in to Axis.  The new Punisher was pretty good. I have enjoyed that series so far.

Haven't read this since the first couple of issues.

"New" Punisher?

Who's in the team line-up now>


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on November 25, 2014, 05:18:33 am
Sorry, I should have said current Punisher.

*SPOILERS*



Avengers World just started a new arc and the current issue is all about selecting the new team. The lineup has Valeria Richards, US Agent, Valkyrie, Stingray and 3d man (I think that's his name). Some of the dialogue is weak but I'm interested to see where it goes.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 25, 2014, 11:30:49 am
Cool line-up. If I can find it, I'll pick it up.

I'm a bit relieved that Invaders and X-Factor have been cancelled. I don't think Guardians 3000 is long for this world if they retain Sandoval as artist.

I think they only Marvel title I'm still enjoying a great deal is Iron Fist -- though it's been a couple of months since I read a new issue. I'm still holding on to Bendis's All-New X-Men, but a lot of the fun of the series diminished when the group got new leotards.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 25, 2014, 04:48:10 pm
Punisher, Silver Surfer and Moon knight are my current fave titles from Marvel. No coincidence that their best titles are the furthest removed from events and all that other crap


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on November 25, 2014, 06:10:22 pm
Punisher, Silver Surfer and Moon knight are my current fave titles from Marvel. No coincidence that their best titles are the furthest removed from events and all that other crap

I totally agree.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 25, 2014, 07:01:43 pm
Avengers World just started a new arc and the current issue is all about selecting the new team. The lineup has Valeria Richards, US Agent, Valkyrie, Stingray and 3d man (I think that's his name). Some of the dialogue is weak but I'm interested to see where it goes.

Unfortunately the writers reverted a lot of the characters (Agent's a dick again, 3-D Man is gee-golly starstruck), but otherwise it's been a fun story.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 27, 2014, 06:43:39 pm
I'm a big fan of Stuart Immomen -- so I picked up Captain America #1 even though it's the third first issue of Captain America to come out in the past 5-6years.  [cuckoo]

The art was sweet and the story was decent -- wasn't as loopy as some of the other stuff I've read by Remender. Falcon's cap uniform isn't is kinda shitty. I'd rather have read a new issue of Falcon, but I get that it wouldn't have the numbers that a new CA title gets. And being that it wasn't that long ago that Bucky was Cap, this is just too soon. I'm getting tired of Marvel and DC characters always being in a state of flux.

I see that Elektra has been cancelled. I have a few issues of the recent series, and felt it was lacking -- particularly in that Elektra was just about a non-character in the book.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on November 27, 2014, 07:51:50 pm
I thought that the Captain America #1 was pretty decent. Way better than Captaim America and the mighty Avengera #1.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 28, 2014, 12:46:23 am
I thought that the Captain America #1 was pretty decent. Way better than Captaim America and the mighty Avengera #1.

The one joy of relaunches is that my OCD means I don't have to get this whole run when Steve comes back. I can just wait for this to be cancelled with issue #17 and then Steve's return in issue #1 the following month.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 28, 2014, 07:39:14 pm
Ultron Forever.

Not the greatest lineup of Avengers, but Alan Davis art may make this a buy for me.

http://www.newsarama.com/22824-time-plucked-avengers-battle-ultron-in-marvel-s-ultron-forever.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 28, 2014, 10:42:27 pm
Could be fun.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on November 29, 2014, 12:56:30 am
I'll get it. Davis has slipped a bit, but he's still so very, very great. One of my all time favorites.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 29, 2014, 03:01:26 pm
I've never really been a fan of this kind of story, but it deserves a browse at the very least because of Davis.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 05, 2014, 04:36:54 am
All-New Invaders #12 is great stuff as it focuses almost entirely on WWI characters like Union Jack and Phantom Eagle.

Flash forward to the present and we're with the current Union Jack, Spitfire and The Destroyer. My only annoyance is the continued persistence that Aubrey is The Destroyer of the present when we've never had clarity about what happened to Keen Marlowe.

Oh....Gard..... there's a cameo of a certain long haired Martian killer. He should be front and centre next issue.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 09, 2014, 02:15:26 pm
That's cool. I was waiting until this arc finished to drop the series, but it's been cancelled. It was a nice attempt, but it always came across as a book that didn't matter and didn't fit.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 09, 2014, 04:07:17 pm
That's cool. I was waiting until this arc finished to drop the series, but it's been cancelled. It was a nice attempt, but it always came across as a book that didn't matter and didn't fit.

They just need to relaunch it every six months with a new #1.

Once again I'll state that my fave Marvel titles at the moment are the stand alone titles such as All-New Invaders, Moon Knight, Silver Surfer, Punisher, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 10, 2014, 07:27:20 am
SPOILER ALERT!

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/12/todays-axis-7-will-retcon-scarlet-witch-quicksilver-forever-spoilers-obviously/

Marvel's workaround for Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.  I've been wondering about this for a while.  But can it (legally) apply to the movies? 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 10, 2014, 03:01:03 pm
Uggggh.

Fuck you Hollywood....fuck you!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 11, 2014, 01:23:12 pm
No, fuck Marvel.

If they want to stupidly make Wanda and Pietro Inhumans in the films, that's fine. But to rewrite a major part of Marvel mythos that has exsited for over 30s years -- just because of licensing -- is just the impetus I need to drop Marvel Comics -- as I did with DC.

Frankly, I'm really tired of alien stuff being behind everything in the Marvel movies -- and TV shows. What next -- Dr. Strange doesn't practive magic, but instead uses sophisticated science?

It's a bad time to be a comics fan.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on December 11, 2014, 09:59:03 pm
Sheesh....further proof that if anything lasts long enough, somebody will come along and fuck it up.  That's part of the price of all this stuff becoming popular now.

Just do like I do, KC:  Revel in the stuff you love and ignore the stuff you hate.  It's the only thing we can do.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on December 13, 2014, 12:47:01 pm
No, fuck Marvel.

If they want to stupidly make Wanda and Pietro Inhumans in the films, that's fine. But to rewrite a major part of Marvel mythos that has exsited for over 30s years -- just because of licensing --

I'm with you so far. Whoever it is that's deciding the comics need to reflect the movies is doing it all wrong. Sales statistics seem to prove it, and where Marvel is concerned especially, they could really benefit from the comics being different from the movies. Only there can you see Captain America and Spider-man mixing it up with Dr.Doom, Magneto, Red Skull, whoever. That should be a selling point.

is just the impetus I need to drop Marvel Comics -- as I did with DC.

C'mon, man. Is it really that big a deal? How massively important to any current comic would it have to be that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are Magneto's kids? That's surely not the same as the massive tossing in the toilet of Nu52 is it?

It's a bad time to be a comics fan.

Can't come with you on that at all. Plenty of great comics coming out. Even if we disregard the great Marvel books we've been talking about, there's Brubaker's stuff, there's Saga, there's the things IDW is doing. Valiant. Any number of great projects.

Just do like I do, KC:  Revel in the stuff you love and ignore the stuff you hate.  It's the only thing we can do.

Best advice ever. Quality Continuity (That which you personally elect to recognize, for those that don't recall the idea) is the only real continuity- because none of it ever really happened anyway.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 13, 2014, 02:23:45 pm
Nailed it Rocko.  The movies should reflect the comics (within reason).  Not the other way around.  There's really no way the convoluted comic continuity could ever work outside of the comics themselves.

Having said that, there have been comic based movie/TV shows before.  Most of them were horrible and run away from the source material.  It's only within the last decade where movies/TV have moved closer to the source material and the popularity has skyrocketed.  It's sad to me to see the comics fart sniffing the movies.   


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 13, 2014, 09:11:36 pm
Let's see how many numbers Guardians of the Galaxy jump now the movie has been and gone.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on December 14, 2014, 12:12:53 pm
Eli and I have spent hours discussing this subject on our podcast.

http://backtothecomics.com/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 14, 2014, 12:13:49 pm
Let's see how many numbers Guardians of the Galaxy jump now the movie has been and gone.

I think the bigger tale will be how many titles it can maintain.  It'll soon be up to five: Guardians, Team-Up, Star-Lord, Rocket, and Gamora.  Of the three existing, Star-Lord has been pretty weak (except Tony Stark talking to JARVIS about his video game habit - that was legitimately funny), but Rocket has been great.  The main book does suffer from Bendis' tendency to not pay off on people he introduces.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 15, 2014, 10:33:43 am

I think the bigger tale will be how many titles it can maintain.  It'll soon be up to five: Guardians, Team-Up, Star-Lord, Rocket, and Gamora.  Of the three existing, Star-Lord has been pretty weak (except Tony Stark talking to JARVIS about his video game habit - that was legitimately funny), but Rocket has been great.  The main book does suffer from Bendis' tendency to not pay off on people he introduces.

I don't follow sales figures these days, but I think Bendis's name is what keeps GOTG going. While I was reading it, nothing much of note happened -- just a lot of typical BMB talky talk. Very weak storytelling compared to the DnA run. I don't think I'm going out on a limb saying that none of the new titles will have longevity -- and that GOTG is only safe as long as Bendis continues writing it (regardless of sales).


is just the impetus I need to drop Marvel Comics -- as I did with DC.

C'mon, man. Is it really that big a deal? How massively important to any current comic would it have to be that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are Magneto's kids? That's surely not the same as the massive tossing in the toilet of Nu52 is it?

It's a bad time to be a comics fan.

Can't come with you on that at all. Plenty of great comics coming out. Even if we disregard the great Marvel books we've been talking about, there's Brubaker's stuff, there's Saga, there's the things IDW is doing. Valiant. Any number of great projects.


Guess I shouldn't have made a blanket statement -- even though most of the Indy titles I do read (Invincible, C.O.W.L., Velvet, Ghost) are only mildly entertaining. But as far as Marvel/DC goes -- I stand by what I said. Too many changes for changes sake. Too many editorial mandates.


is just the impetus I need to drop Marvel Comics -- as I did with DC.

C'mon, man. Is it really that big a deal? How massively important to any current comic would it have to be that Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are Magneto's kids? That's surely not the same as the massive tossing in the toilet of Nu52 is it?


In and of itself -- not that big a deal. But on top of black Nick Fury, Agent Coulson, making Star-Lord a redhead, it just underscores that the comics don't matter as much as the films. The films are dictating everything -- so why read the comics?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on December 15, 2014, 07:15:46 pm
Because there's still a lot of really great ones. A year or so from now I'll reread Hawkeye and be amazed by it. Moon Knight is great. Black Widow is great. Daredevil has continued to be great, despite Waid's tendency to fall off. She-Hulk is great. That's 6 books out of Marvel, and that's all I read or care about right now, so all this other shit just doesn't effect me. And then outside that, there's Saga, Velvet, The Fade Out, Transformers vs GI Joe, GI Joe, I'm loving all these books. If you have not, check them out. They're as good as just about anything.

I got the Guardians annual for the Sterankoesque feel, I noticed that the characters reflect the movie completely and totally. Was that the case before the movie? I truly have no idea.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 15, 2014, 07:28:17 pm
I got the Guardians annual for the Sterankoesque feel, I noticed that the characters reflect the movie completely and totally. Was that the case before the movie? I truly have no idea.

It wasn't completely true, but there wasn't a GotG book on the stands until the movie was announced - so there you go.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on December 15, 2014, 07:31:12 pm
So the comics before the movie, what was the gang like? What was different?

I thought the Guardians Of The Galaxy was the thing where it's the future and the mummified dude has Cap's shield and is always getting cock teased by the chick with the firey hair.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 15, 2014, 08:03:54 pm
So the comics before the movie, what was the gang like? What was different?

I thought the Guardians Of The Galaxy was the thing where it's the future and the mummified dude has Cap's shield and is always getting cock teased by the chick with the firey hair.

The original Abnett & Lanning (DNA) line-up also included people like Mantis, Captain Universe, Bug (from the Micronauts) and Jack Flagg. They thinned the cast down to those featured in the movie. So the movie has in fact followed the DNA comics. Only by the time the movie came out Bendis was writing a new Guardians title with more or less the same line-up only Bendis crapified with the addition of Iron Man and Venom for some truly fucking obscure reason. So he's riding high on everything DNA did.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 16, 2014, 09:10:12 am
I had completely forgotten that the Bendis series didn't come about until after the film was announced.

It's worth noting that a new uniform was introduced in the comics for Star-Lord. It was an attempt to modernize the classic version (from the Byrne era). Some people preferred the one from the DnA run. I was actually okay with the update, but when the look for the film version of the character was shown -- Marvel actually modified a cover on GOTG so that the character looked exactly like Chris Pratt in the film (don't know if they explained the change in the comic). I emailed my LCS that day and told him to drop the title from my pull list (though, honestly, it hadn't been that great to begin with).


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 16, 2014, 09:12:48 am
Because there's still a lot of really great ones. A year or so from now I'll reread Hawkeye and be amazed by it. Moon Knight is great. Black Widow is great. Daredevil has continued to be great, despite Waid's tendency to fall off. She-Hulk is great. That's 6 books out of Marvel, and that's all I read or care about right now, so all this other shit just doesn't effect me...

I got the Guardians annual for the Sterankoesque feel, I noticed that the characters reflect the movie completely and totally. Was that the case before the movie? I truly have no idea.

Yeah, but just wait until the Daredevil series debuts on Netflix...  [gah]

I paged through the GOTG annual and picked it up mainly for the Frank Cho art. It looked like some stuff actually happened in the story -- despite the 2-page spread of Carol Danvers being a talking head.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 16, 2014, 03:37:15 pm
I emailed my LCS that day and told him to drop the title from my pull list (though, honestly, it hadn't been that great to begin with).

I will never be a fan of Bendis' superhero stuff. His tendency to think he's awesome by having people engage in witty banter for pages is fucking annoying.

Everything that DNA were doing was fucking awesome. GotG and Nova were great! The Annihilation War was great. War of Kings was great. Even the spin offs during those events were well done.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 17, 2014, 07:35:02 pm
I thought the Guardians Of The Galaxy was the thing where it's the future and the mummified dude has Cap's shield and is always getting cock teased by the chick with the firey hair.

That's going back pretty far.  There was a series that gestated during the Annihilation events http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=04110405480&snumber=1

and then went on to be as good as the others have said.  It eventually didn't sell enough and got dropped.  http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=38488724008&snumber=1

Marvel Studios saw the quality of the book and decided to do a movie on them - which by the way paid off big time: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/guardians_of_the_galaxy/



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 18, 2014, 02:46:00 am
Holy snapping duck turds!!! I can't believe the prices they're asking for the DNA series  [thud]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 18, 2014, 08:18:29 am
Really?!

Maybe I should consider selling mind off and replacing with trades. I've never sold anything on ebay, but a friend of mine has has some success -- often fetching more than a book is worth.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 18, 2014, 11:03:53 am
So despite a first issue that came in on the middle of a Spider-Verse story, I planned on collecting Spider-Woman (mainly because I was a fan of the Wolfman and Claremont issues in the late 70s/early 80s. But a redesign costume has me ready to jump ship early.

And while this isn't a horrible design, I don't think it's an improvement. But I guess it's part of that whole super-heroes don't wear spandex -because it's not realistic - and actors can't dress that way in a film - movement

http://www.newsarama.com/23037-spider-woman-gets-a-new-costume.html

 [thumbs down]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 18, 2014, 07:11:56 pm
Bleh! if they're looking for something non-iconic they've nailed it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on December 18, 2014, 07:53:00 pm
Looks like Spider-Woman #4 will be it for me. Really tired of classic costumes being thrown out for shit like that new SW design.  [cursing]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 18, 2014, 09:41:21 pm
It's... not horrible for a spy mission type of get-up.  She's noticeably less chestier as well which may help it get over with female readers.  Interestingly though, I always thought that drawing her busty was a visual way to convey the pheromone feeling she gives off to men.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 19, 2014, 07:10:26 am
I never saw her outfit as anything overtly sexual --it was just form-fitting spandex -- same as Spider-Man wears. An artist like Frank Cho can always draw to be too form-fitting -- which is bound to turn off female readers.

I recall a Wonder Woman in the mid 70s that featured Cathly Lee Crosby in some red, white and blue jump suit. It looked okay, but it wasn't Wonder Woman. Then the following year, the Linda Carter TV movie debuted -- and they nailed it. This new outfit looks like the Cathy Lee Crosby version of Spider-Woman.

I'd be okay with this as something she wears more casually -- but certainly not when she's with the Avengers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on December 19, 2014, 07:54:55 am
I always find that, while trying to blend in and be all spy-y, wear a red shirt and weird yellow goggles.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on December 19, 2014, 07:56:43 am
The newest New Captain America has been pretty good. It's only been two issues but they have thrown in a ton of classic Cap villains and tied in a story line from Secret Avengers from a few years ago. All that and not a mention of Axis. Which, I guess, means it's building up the next great, universe altering storyline. Anyways, it's been good. Check it out. However, I read Cap and the mighty Avengers last month, sucked.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 19, 2014, 08:07:56 am
I liked the first issue of Falcon Cap enough to put it on my pull list. The art sold it more than the story. I'm not a fan of Sam's new uniform though. And I don't see this lasting very long. They're making it rather obvious that the Falcon is no Captain America.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on December 19, 2014, 09:17:17 am
I agree with the uniform. I don't mind Falcon as Cap, I think he's a good choice, but I will be happy to have Steve Rogers back. I think Falcon has been good in the CA title but in the other Avengers books I feel he is being handled poorly.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 29, 2014, 06:41:46 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/12/29/time-runs-quarantine-fantastic-four-x-men/

Convoluted, but interesting.  Trying to cut Fantastic Four and the X-Men out of the MU with an exacto knife. 

Ike is nuts.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 29, 2014, 07:03:05 pm
Comic fans are the only losers when it comes to Ike's brain fart. Movie fans will be completely unaffected.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 29, 2014, 07:05:41 pm
I'd be surprised if that pans out.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 29, 2014, 07:10:18 pm
Ike's looking for an angle.  He/Disney wants these characters back and he appears to be willing to "go to the mattresses" to get them.  But yeah, you're right...comic fans suffer the most.  At least they're negotiating with Sony over Spidey.

And Chooch is right, it's more contrived than just about anything DC has tried.  As bad as "continuity punches".


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 29, 2014, 07:24:35 pm
I could see them shunting off the X-Men and FF to another Earth a la Heroes Reborn.  The time displacement is just too... DC.  Maybe I should amend my statement, I'll be disappointed if they do this.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 29, 2014, 07:51:51 pm
Marvel needs to look at DC over the last 30 years as a cautionary tale.  Often times, the DC fix has been far worse than the initial "problem" ever was.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 30, 2014, 12:43:20 am
I'm not sure I understand how all this licensing crap works? If Fox make an X-Men film and pay to promote it, etc, then why don't Marvel license the shit out of X-Men for t-shirts, mugs, action figures, G-Strings, etc, and make money off of someone else doing the heavy lifting?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 30, 2014, 06:50:16 am
I'm not sure how all that works either, but Ike does not strike me as the kinda guy who is satisfied with a slice of the pie.  He wants the whole bakery.  Plus the flour mill, the trucking company, the apple orchard, the shortening company, etc.  These are Ike's toys and he wants them back.  He did not want to publish any titles during the bankruptsy that were not "fully exploitable".  So no licensed titles at all back then. 

You notice that Marvel has not approved any licensing lately (that I know of) for any of the non Marvel Studios films.  Billionaires can be petty muthafuckers too. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 30, 2014, 08:20:35 am
Comic fans are the only losers when it comes to Ike's brain fart. Movie fans will be completely unaffected.

Yep. I will continue to see the films (well, some of them -- haven't seen a Spider-Man film since the second Toby movie -- and have yet to see Thor 2 or Iron Man 3).

But all of this monkeying around with the comics has left a very bad taste in my mouth. I imagine a lot of this shit will get sorted out in the  next 5-10 years -- especially if the films run their course, but I don't think I'll care any longer by that point.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on December 30, 2014, 11:52:08 am
Trying to explain the shit out of everything to satisfy the OCD of geeks isn't good for the art being made or for the geeks, no matter what they think. It's better to just not humor them. I blame Roy Thomas for a lot of this shit.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 30, 2014, 02:35:01 pm
Trying to explain the shit out of everything to satisfy the OCD of geeks isn't good for the art being made or for the geeks, no matter what they think. It's better to just not humor them. I blame Roy Thomas for a lot of this shit.

For me it's not about OCD. Instead it feels like the slow unraveling of a comfy blanket that has kept me warm my whole life.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on December 30, 2014, 04:07:17 pm
Are you referring to the storyline explanations of time passing or a resistance to them?

I would rather they just left all mention of specific dates aside.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 30, 2014, 04:17:46 pm
Are you referring to the storyline explanations of time passing or a resistance to them?

I would rather they just left all mention of specific dates aside.

I think it's everything. I've seen all my friends who once collected comics slowly fade away. They've lost interest and only occasionally dip their toes back in. I used to sit and wonder "how could you give this up?" I've been surrounded by comics, these characters, their histories my whole life. For as long as I can remember, with no break despite the intro of cars, girls, etc, have I not been reading comics. But now, I keep seeing all this change for change sake and it hurts my love for the medium. One of many examples is this movie bullshit causing changes in the comics to Wanda and Pietro to satiate some corporate hats who don't give two fucks about the characters or their histories, or worse still.....the fans that have a lifelong attachment to them.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 30, 2014, 06:04:09 pm
It feels kinda odd even talking about these kinds of wholesale continuity changes at Marvel.  One More Day/House of M, aside, Marvel has (relatively speaking) been able to keep their continuity tight over time.  The "slide" thing makes sense in terms of real events and such.  Ben Grimm and Reed Richards couldn't possibly be WWII vets. 

Meanwhile, at DC, they've been patching together continuity since before CoIE.  Convergence is a comfy old shoe to me. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 31, 2014, 09:02:55 pm
One More Day still pisses me right off.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 31, 2014, 10:51:05 pm
One More Day still pisses me right off.

Yup.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on January 05, 2015, 06:52:01 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01/05/uncanny-avengers-1-will-reveal-identity-of-quicksilver-and-scarlet-witchs-real-father/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 06, 2015, 06:57:09 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01/05/uncanny-avengers-1-will-reveal-identity-of-quicksilver-and-scarlet-witchs-real-father/

Wow! I just cannot wait!!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 07, 2015, 07:17:01 am
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01/05/uncanny-avengers-1-will-reveal-identity-of-quicksilver-and-scarlet-witchs-real-father/

Stan Lee?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 07, 2015, 04:28:42 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01/05/uncanny-avengers-1-will-reveal-identity-of-quicksilver-and-scarlet-witchs-real-father/

Stan Lee?

Hahahaha.....<point>  :D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on January 08, 2015, 04:13:17 pm
"the first issue of Uncanny Avengers #1?"
 
"thorty?"

"The Heroes Reborn titles by Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld (more on those later) " and then nothing said about them again?

All that outrage you guys have is how I feel when I see somebody getting paid to write this horribly.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 08, 2015, 04:49:07 pm
"Thorty" is the new term that nerds give to themselves when they're no longer in their thirties, but want to try and maintain a hip and cool appearance among the pop culture hipster scene.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: NiteOwl on January 08, 2015, 09:11:04 pm
"Thorty" is the new term that nerds give to themselves when they're no longer in their thirties, but want to try and maintain a hip and cool appearance among the pop culture hipster scene.

For realsies? Or should that be Thor realsies?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: dozymuppet on January 09, 2015, 12:49:20 am
I'm totes in my tworties.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 09, 2015, 02:22:38 pm
"Thorty" is the new term that nerds give to themselves when they're no longer in their thirties, but want to try and maintain a hip and cool appearance among the pop culture hipster scene.

For realsies? Or should that be Thor realsies?

 :D

I'm totes in my tworties.

You've got a few years left. Enjoy them before you become "that old man" who just hangs around the coffee shop always wanting to talk about 8-tracks and Kamandi.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on January 09, 2015, 07:51:40 pm
"The Heroes Reborn titles by Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld (more on those later) " and then nothing said about them again?

It was in reference to a later article that revealed Marvel was at one time seriously considering making Jim Lee EiC and moving the kit and kaboodle to be run from his La Jolla studio.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 10, 2015, 05:13:15 pm
Finally read Guardians of the Galaxy Annual. I picked it up for two reasons: Frank Cho art and old school Nick Fury and SHIELD. Damn, why isn't this the SHIELD that ended up on TV?!

Overall, a pleasant story somewhat reminiscent of a 60s episode of Star Trek -- probably by design. In fact, it appears that Ensign Sulu is seated at the 'bridge' of the Helicarrier.

Unfortunately, the Star-Lord and Rocket read like parodies to me. Bendis is trying to capture the film version of the characters -- and while I liked the film version, the comic now feels very off -- especially if you read the superior DnA version of the series.

Ya know, despite Marvel holding onto their continuity, that's about the only thing they have over DC -- because a lot of their product is run-of-the-mill. I looked at Ant-Man and promptly put it back on the shelf. Everything looks like it's illustrated by some indy artist.

Hopefully, Captain America #2 is a good read. Art sure looks sweet. And I hear that Spider-Woman #2 is better than the first issue, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

Actually, Angela #2 had great art, and I was tempted to pick it up despite my disdain for the character. But the first issue was not to be found, and I decide to either trade wait -- or just pass on it altogether.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 10, 2015, 11:03:12 pm
I agree with everything you said about the G.o.t.G annual.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Titansfan on January 20, 2015, 03:11:02 pm
Reboot announced today.   Congratulations.   Now the Marvel fans can feel just as shitty as the DC fans.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 20, 2015, 05:26:10 pm
Reboot announced today.   Congratulations.   Now the Marvel fans can feel just as shitty as the DC fans.

Yeah, this makes me nervous.

On the flipside, I grew up being very attached to runs of comics like Uncanny X-Men and Amazing Spider-Man. I used to wonder how I could ever suddenly stop reading a run of comics that had been with me for 30 years? But if they go with a relaunch and start Uncanny X-Men from issue one and Magento is now a black 22 year old transgender music teacher then I have no problems breaking away from that because it's not "my" UXM.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on January 20, 2015, 09:41:52 pm
Doesn't quite sound like a reboot.  Sounds more like Ultimate and 616 (and a few others) will merge, requiring some continuity tweaking.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
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Mike
(From Asgard to Yancy Street ... from the Savage Land to the depths of Atlantis ... from the decks of a heli-carrier to the 30th Century ... from Avengers Mansion to the Old West ... from the battlefields of World War II to the Baxter Building ... from the Skrull Empire to the hidden land of Wakanda ... I had a helluva trip!  Thank you, lads!  For everything.)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 21, 2015, 10:28:16 am
Could it really be any worse than the current stuff?

That said -- seems like a really great place to break away from Marvel Comics. I'm so tired of both companies trying to top themselves with event -- instead of concentrating on good storytelling.  [thumbs down]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 21, 2015, 01:48:39 pm
I'm so tired of both companies trying to top themselves with event -- instead of concentrating on good storytelling.  [thumbs down]

This is where I'm at. This whole "The Marvel Universe will never be the same" line spouted every time there's an event is tiring. But it obviously works for them. Each time they do it my LCS has stacks of extra copies on the shelf of all the tie-ins, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on January 21, 2015, 03:06:50 pm
I'm of a mind that is Ike behind a lot of this.  This is his end run around Sony and Fox.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: SDcomics on January 21, 2015, 10:43:37 pm
Wave 2.

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Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on January 21, 2015, 10:51:30 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/23282-all-new-marvel-u-the-old-guard-reacts.html

I think this is the right way to react.  They all essentially said "Let's see if it's any good."  Most of you have probably heard me say this, but I'm taking the same approach I took with the New 52.  I sampled about 3/4 of the titles the first month and then whittled that down to the quality ones.  Unfortunately the quality just wasn't there and I ended up at zero around 18 months in.  I suspect I'll start out high and whittle it down, but 18 months in I'll still have a dozen or so that I enjoy.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 21, 2015, 11:09:30 pm
I'm of a mind that is Ike behind a lot of this.  This is his end run around Sony and Fox.

This is exactly what this is. Why else would they get rid of their cash cow in Wolverine other than Ike told them to.

Inhumans being pushed to take the place of the X-Men. FF cancelled. All the significant reductions just happen to be closely associated with film properties that Marvel doesn't own. As if Fox gives two shits that there won't be a FF comic anymore.

....and the folks that will suffer the most are long time Marvel fans.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 23, 2015, 06:33:34 am
http://www.newsarama.com/23282-all-new-marvel-u-the-old-guard-reacts.html

I think this is the right way to react.  They all essentially said "Let's see if it's any good."  Most of you have probably heard me say this, but I'm taking the same approach I took with the New 52.  I sampled about 3/4 of the titles the first month and then whittled that down to the quality ones.  Unfortunately the quality just wasn't there and I ended up at zero around 18 months in.  I suspect I'll start out high and whittle it down, but 18 months in I'll still have a dozen or so that I enjoy.

I can't fault anyone for taking that approach, but I also can't fault anyone for being negative about it. On the one hand, it would be nice to see a few continuity patches delete stuff like the Stacy-Osborn hookup and the 3rd Summers brother (can't even recall his name -- so lame). But I really just want good single titles -- I'm pretty much over a shared universe -- because it's so constricting to creators.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 23, 2015, 03:25:20 pm
But I really just want good single titles -- I'm pretty much over a shared universe -- because it's so constricting to creators.

In the present I get your point, but in the past I disagree. I loved the Marvel Universe in the 80s. This was the best time for me. Everyone was happily doing their own thing except for the occasional crossover that made you go "whoa" because Punisher was in Daredevil, etc. I honestly think the beginning of the end was the "event". When your regular titles suddenly had to be about whatever big event was going on. Writers needing to wrap up their existing stories so they could accommodate the crossover. Or that classic fuck-up crossover where there were nine installments across 3 different titles, two of which I don't read. The current "Godhead" story in DCNu is a perfect example.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on January 23, 2015, 06:34:51 pm
If we're guessing at motivations, I'm going to go out on a limb and say money is the big factor.  Not only because everyone loves money, but also because the publishing division is probably under more scrutiny to be more profitable.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 29, 2015, 01:11:46 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01/05/uncanny-avengers-1-will-reveal-identity-of-quicksilver-and-scarlet-witchs-real-father/

I guess this issue came out.  The easiest change would be to revert to story that Bob Frank  and Madeline Joyce are their parents -- and that the baby that actually was stillborn on Wundagore was Magda's -- and not the Franks. Of course, that would most likely still make Pietro and Wanda mutants. Does Marvel still call the children of super-powered characters mutants. For example, is Franklin Richards a mutant?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on January 29, 2015, 07:15:46 pm
Franklin Richards is a mutant, or was classified that way for a long time.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: powersthatbe on January 31, 2015, 08:52:25 pm
the falcon was considered a mutant for a time because of his ability to communicate with birds.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 31, 2015, 10:22:05 pm
So, I read Uncanny Avengers #1. No mention of whom is the father of Wanda and Pietro as was promised. Despite the gorgeous art, Remender remains a very uneven writer, IMHO. His scripting/dialog is often very jarring. I'm really here for Acuna, anyway.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 01, 2015, 05:52:58 pm
So, I read Uncanny Avengers #1. No mention of whom is the father of Wanda and Pietro as was promised. Despite the gorgeous art, Remender remains a very uneven writer, IMHO. His scripting/dialog is often very jarring. I'm really here for Acuna, anyway.

I wasn't blown away by the issue. I found Remender and Acuna both to be so-so. I think the only reaosn I'm even reading this title is that I can't find Rogue in any other Marvel title. It's a sad comedown from when she was front and centre in X-Men: Legacy.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 02, 2015, 06:49:17 am
So, I read Uncanny Avengers #1. No mention of whom is the father of Wanda and Pietro as was promised. Despite the gorgeous art, Remender remains a very uneven writer, IMHO. His scripting/dialog is often very jarring. I'm really here for Acuna, anyway.

I wasn't blown away by the issue. I found Remender and Acuna both to be so-so. I think the only reaosn I'm even reading this title is that I can't find Rogue in any other Marvel title. It's a sad comedown from when she was front and centre in X-Men: Legacy.

Rogue seems out of place in this book -- as do most of the cast  ;D

On the other hand, are there really and good X-titles in which she could appear? I'm about to drop All-New X-Men, and it's the only X-title I'm reading aside from All-New X-Factor which has been cancelled.

Regarding the twins, I wonder if they'll go with the obvious and make the High Evolutionary the father...


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 02, 2015, 06:50:39 am
Quote
"I just love Scarlet Witch. She is a messed up lady. She can tell you where an object has been, she can tell you what your future is, she can connect with the dead and people from other universes and she’s the only person in this universe who’s capable of doing that.” Elizabeth Olsen, Scarlet Witch, Age of Ultron

Huh?

Yeah. I'm going to pretend I didn't just read that.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 02, 2015, 04:03:10 pm
So, I read Uncanny Avengers #1. No mention of whom is the father of Wanda and Pietro as was promised. Despite the gorgeous art, Remender remains a very uneven writer, IMHO. His scripting/dialog is often very jarring. I'm really here for Acuna, anyway.

I wasn't blown away by the issue. I found Remender and Acuna both to be so-so. I think the only reaosn I'm even reading this title is that I can't find Rogue in any other Marvel title. It's a sad comedown from when she was front and centre in X-Men: Legacy.

Rogue seems out of place in this book -- as do most of the cast  ;D

On the other hand, are there really and good X-titles in which she could appear? I'm about to drop All-New X-Men, and it's the only X-title I'm reading aside from All-New X-Factor which has been cancelled.

Oh yeah, definitely. Amazing X-Men is a fun book. You've got Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus among others (and recently Wolverine), it's almost the old crew back together again. But X-Men is still a girl's book with Storm, Psylocke, Rachel Summers, etc, so she'd be fine there too. She was in that title and was then removed as I think there's some kind of mandate by Remender that she only appear in his book or something?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 03, 2015, 05:49:35 pm
I couldn't get into Amazing X-Men. The first arc really didn't do much for me -- and I'm still not sure how Nightcrawler came back. He just decided to leave Heaven?!

You're probably right that Remender won't let anyone else use Rogue. She's never been a favorite of mine (of course, I've long been of the mind that X-Men may as well have been cancelled after the Dark Phoenix saga), and Remender hasn't changed that. He did, though, kinda restore her Ms. Marvel level powers - at the expense of Simon Williams.  :P


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 03, 2015, 06:37:26 pm
I couldn't get into Amazing X-Men. The first arc really didn't do much for me -- and I'm still not sure how Nightcrawler came back. He just decided to leave Heaven?!

You're probably right that Remender won't let anyone else use Rogue. She's never been a favorite of mine (of course, I've long been of the mind that X-Men may as well have been cancelled after the Dark Phoenix saga), and Remender hasn't changed that. He did, though, kinda restore her Ms. Marvel level powers - at the expense of Simon Williams.  :P

Thes best thing about that title is it doesn't suffer any of the angst the other titles do. It's just good stories told on their own. I'm a huge fan of UXM circa #200 when it was Wolvie, Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Rogue and Kitty. Kurt's return was handled well, it's a godo read and includes his father and explains the BAMFs too.

In unrelated news, the latest Moon Knight should have annoyed me as he's not in it (Spector is though) but I still found the issue and current storyline quite compelling. I reiterate that Marvel's best titles at the moment are the standalone ones.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 04, 2015, 07:11:51 am
I think you're right.  I probably would have sampled Moon Knight if not for the art. I'm really not fond of the indy style being used in many of Marvel's books. Guess I'm too much of a traditionalist. I'm completely turned off my mohawk Storm -- which is another reason I dropped Amazing X-Men (your mileage may vary). Did anyone provide an explanation of why she cut her hair this time? I didn't like it the last time either, but at least it made sense from a story perspective.

I am (or was) enjoying Iron Fist, but lately, it seems do drawn out. I don't believe the book is coming out regularly -- which may contribute to the slow-moving story. He just got a new black outfit -- which is reminiscent of Darkstar's duds. Black Widow is pretty good. I tried Winter Soldier, but it's a bit too trippy.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 04, 2015, 07:09:16 pm
Storm was just looking for a change after all the shit had gone down int he various X-books like losing Nightcrawler, etc. I actually dig that look, but I think that's a remnant of enjoying UXM so much back in the day.

The current art on Moon Knight has that Sinka....Synker....Bill S sort of feel to it which works for me.

Punisher and Silver Surfer are also good stand alone titles.

I'm really ready for Bendis to fuck off and leave the X-Universe alone. I wish they'd move him on to G.o.t.G universe expansion or The Inhumans, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on February 04, 2015, 08:30:01 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/02/04/brian-bendis-leaves-x-books-uncanny-x-men-600/

He gone.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on February 04, 2015, 09:36:55 pm
Ha!  His intro paragraph is great.  We'll have to see what spins out of Secret Wars.  At this point there may only be a handful of X-books that come out the other end.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 04, 2015, 11:07:48 pm
Ha!  His intro paragraph is great.  We'll have to see what spins out of Secret Wars.  At this point there may only be a handful of X-books that come out the other end.

What the great googily fuck are Marvel doing?  [cuckoo]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 05, 2015, 09:00:53 am

The current art on Moon Knight has that Sinka....Synker....Bill S sort of feel to it which works for me.


Oh, I thought it was the McKelvie and Shelvy or something or other guy who had a very graphic style. Of course, I haven't seen it on the shelf in a while to sample it. Will have to find a preview online.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 09, 2015, 07:30:07 pm
And so it's begun.....poor James robinson having to explain in Invaders #14 how Toro, possibly the second Marvel mutant is actually an Inhuman instead and had his "inhuman" genes kicked off decades before anyone else's.

So are Namor and Wolverine Inhumans too?

Ugggh.....Marvel, this is called "Pissing in your own nest"


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on February 09, 2015, 07:32:45 pm
Marvel is about to cause a bigger mess with Secret Wars than DC is with Convergence.  Of that, I'm certain.  Thank Ike. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 09, 2015, 07:39:46 pm
Y'know if Ike is so pissed at Rupert for the whole X-Men thing, instead of putting us through all this stuff by trashing our favourite comics, couldn't he just do a "bog and run" at Rupe's house instead?



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on February 09, 2015, 07:42:49 pm
Billionaires fight a different way than the rest of us.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 10, 2015, 08:05:47 am
And so it's begun.....poor James robinson having to explain in Invaders #14 how Toro, possibly the second Marvel mutant is actually an Inhuman instead and had his "inhuman" genes kicked off decades before anyone else's.

So are Namor and Wolverine Inhumans too?

Ugggh.....Marvel, this is called "Pissing in your own nest"

I once found the Inhumans entertaining and interseting. Those days have passed long ago.  The more Marvel tries to make them a big deal, the less I care.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 13, 2015, 05:08:28 pm
And so it's begun.....poor James robinson having to explain in Invaders #14 how Toro, possibly the second Marvel mutant is actually an Inhuman instead and had his "inhuman" genes kicked off decades before anyone else's.

So are Namor and Wolverine Inhumans too?

Ugggh.....Marvel, this is called "Pissing in your own nest"

I once found the Inhumans entertaining and interseting. Those days have passed long ago.  The more Marvel tries to make them a big deal, the less I care.

I just thinking as a whole they're a bit dull. I mean BB, Medusa, Karnak, Gorgon, Lockjaw, etc, are all decent enough characters....but to me they've always been great supporting characters. A fun guest star now and then.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on February 13, 2015, 05:29:32 pm
Mostly agree.  There may have been a time where they could have been developed into a franchise at Marvel.  But that time has passed.  Their role as the poor man's mutants in embarrassing. 

News Corp and Disney can piss on each other 'til doomsday and all Ike will do is get wet.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on February 17, 2015, 12:13:40 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/23544-marvel-comics-full-may-2015-solicitations.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 17, 2015, 09:36:56 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/23544-marvel-comics-full-may-2015-solicitations.html

Ugggh....can't wait until this merger bullshit is over.

Where I think Marvel is failing big time at the moment is their universe is just such a hotch-potch of confusion. Titles chopping and changing constantly. There's no long lasting structure in place.

Back in the old days (when we wore an onion on our belt because it was the style at the time) you could depend on the relative stability of core titles. Avengers was Avengers, Uncanny was home to mutants, etc.

Not sure how the current clusterfuck is supposed to be attractive to new readers?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on February 18, 2015, 07:26:46 am
I understand why DC does this.  They're a mess.  A mess that began in 1956 when Jay Garrick was a comic book character that inspired Barry Allen.  Almost everything since then has contributed to the mess including the many attempted "fixes".  All due respect to Gardner Fox, but he is the father to this situation.  Certainly he had no idea what this would spawn, but it doesn't change the facts.  Not sure if Convergence can patch this up.  I'm hopeful, but... 

As for why Marvel does it, I dunno.  Reinventing the wheel perhaps to freshen things up?  The fact that they don't control all the media rights for some of it's properties?  Different/competing editorial visions?  No strong guiding hand like Quesada anymore?  The sliding timeline always seemed to work for them with the exception of No More Mutants and Brand New Day.  I'm not sure what they hope to accomplish with Secret Wars. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on February 18, 2015, 08:17:22 am
I agree with F.M. Shake, I can't wait to get over the hurdle of secret wars and I hope that, afterwards, a few quality titles (like Hawkeye, Moon Knight and Black Widow) can slip through the cracks and get published. I think the source of the continuous shakeups is Marvel finally started making some money. So now that they made money, every two months they reexamine what they are doing and make big short sited decisions in order to make a lot of money now, without any thought about the future three months down the road. They are only focused on gaining new readers and not on retaining current readers. I believe it is a problem of accountants versus artists.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on February 18, 2015, 11:22:59 pm
What's curious to me is how many regular titles are continuing into May.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 19, 2015, 06:03:51 pm
Marvel has never been less appealing in my close to 40 years of collecting it's publications. Hope they can right the ship after this mess, but if not -- money saved for collections -- and classic figures.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 20, 2015, 02:29:29 am
I continue to be astonished by some of the crap they put out. Bendis introduces a "new" villain in Guardians of the Galaxy and the best name he can come up with is "Mister Knife"!! Are you shitting me?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on February 20, 2015, 10:50:51 pm
Mister Knife was a Sam Humphries invention as far as I can tell.  I'm not a big fan, but he has enough moments of fun to keep me strung along so far.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: derekwc on February 20, 2015, 11:00:21 pm
This may be a spoiler-ridden question....(I don't personally care if I'm spoiled, but I wanted to pre-warn anybody reading the post)....





























































Is Mister Knife not just an Eric The Red type Alias for Peter's Dad?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on February 21, 2015, 09:24:50 am
Correct.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 21, 2015, 02:35:25 pm
Guardians was still a decent read until this whole Black Vortex thing. Of course I only read half the titles involved. The joys of crossovers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 21, 2015, 07:26:14 pm
There was a Black Vortex #1 in my box -- I guess because I used to collect GOTG and still collect All-New X-Men (though I'm about to drop it). I paged through it before putting it back on the shelf.

Spider-Woman has been dreadful. It's all about the ongoing Spider-Verse and Silk shit that I have no interest in. I'll stick around to see if things improve with the new direction -- though I'm not a fan of the new generic-looking duds.

DC and Marvel are making it so easy for me to continue paring my pull list. Well, except for about a dozen 2-part Convergence comics and A-Force.

I picked up the first issue of Dark Horse Comics -- Eight -- mainly due to the beautiful cover, but the premise sounded decent. It was a pretty good read, so I'm in for the rest of the limited series.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 21, 2015, 08:24:57 pm
The Spider-verse stuff just confuses me. Outside of our Peter and Spider-Ham I have no idea who the fuck anyone is. I get them all confused so the sooner it's over the better. Then again, I could say that about every x-over.

A-Force got my attention immediately because it has Rogue in it. But then I realised that many of my fave Marvel characters are female so that's pretty cool.

Nightcrawler is pretty good because it's independent of everything else and Claremont still writes old fashioned fun stories.

Rocket Raccoon has been surprisingly good. Really fun stories with Groot along for the ride. I hope they can keep it that way.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on February 21, 2015, 09:26:11 pm
A-Force didn't make my pull list.  It seems like a Secret Wars filler so I felt comfortable skipping it.  So far, Secret Wars itself has been my only add from the event.  Ghost Racers may make the cut though.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 05, 2015, 03:35:28 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/05/will-brian-bendis-write-time-broken-follow-secret-wars/

What's worse?  A disaster or a catastrophe?  This sounds like a complete mess.  A mess worthy of DC.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 05, 2015, 03:36:52 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/23682-weirdworld-returns-as-secret-wars-tie-in.html

This could well be the best part.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: derekwc on March 05, 2015, 07:08:41 pm
Caught up with Guardians 3000. Started reading Streets of San Fran-Daredevil also.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 05, 2015, 07:48:54 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/05/will-brian-bendis-write-time-broken-follow-secret-wars/

What's worse?  A disaster or a catastrophe?  This sounds like a complete mess.  A mess worthy of DC.

KEERIST ALLFUCKING MIGHTY!!! I detest them so very, very much.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 05, 2015, 08:43:11 pm
So if I read that correctly, Marvel sorta splits it's universe into three?  FF and X-Men in their own continuity.  Mainstream media properties front and center.  And a kind of ghetto for characters that don't have pending big media tie-ins.  Does that sound right?     


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 05, 2015, 08:49:43 pm
So if I read that correctly, Marvel sorta splits it's universe into three?  FF and X-Men in their own continuity.  Mainstream media properties front and center.  And a kind of ghetto for characters that don't have pending big media tie-ins.  Does that sound right?     

Kinda implies that. Sad that Hollywood killed our hobby.

I miss the eighties.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 05, 2015, 08:56:44 pm
Was there any doubt about all this when Disney took over? 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 05, 2015, 10:06:12 pm
The split into different continuities isn't written in stone yet, but a year ago I would have told you Battleworld was a far-flung idea.  I'm picking up very little of the Secret Wars spin-offs.  Most of them just seem like excuses to revisit old events.  I'm still hopeful that what comes out the other side is palatable.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 05, 2015, 10:17:06 pm
Same as me for DC where Convergence is concerned.  I'd love to see a pre-1978 (DC Implosion) mindset in practice. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 05, 2015, 10:20:27 pm
Same as me for DC where Convergence is concerned.  I'd love to see a pre-1978 (DC Implosion) mindset in practice. 

When I was typing my post I said to myself "I am the Gard of Marvel."  ;D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 05, 2015, 10:21:59 pm
Optimism in the face of crushing reality is a curse.  +1.  [thumbs up]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 06, 2015, 03:00:32 pm
But it's sad that Marvel has to invent another event that doesn't exist for the purpose of trying to tell good stories, but to satisfy the whims and egos of geriatric billionaires.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 06, 2015, 04:14:10 pm
At heart, I'm a nosey muthafucker.  I wanna know what's going on behind the scenes.  Clearly Marvel/Disney are not happy about having to share movie rights to some of their most prominent properties with other companies.  I wouldn't be happy if it were me.  But the relationship between Marvel/Disney and Sony appears to be much better than the relationship with Fox.  Spidey is now a part of the MCU.  And Spidey merch continues at retail, unabated.  Including action figures.  And several more Spidey figs were shown at Toy Fair.  No X-Men or FF figures were shown.  I realize there was an X-Men wave and box set from 2014, but they were probably in the works before Ike had his conniption.  And they were both Toys R Us exclusives.  Hasbro couldn't bail. 

So something is obviously going on at the highest levels of both companies to keep this feud stoked.  I wanna know what it is.  ;D 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 06, 2015, 06:17:18 pm
At heart, I'm a nosey muthafucker.  I wanna know what's going on behind the scenes.  Clearly Marvel/Disney are not happy about having to share movie rights to some of their most prominent properties with other companies.  I wouldn't be happy if it were me.  

Maybe not...but they've got no right to get their panties in a bunch. Stan left his creative role at Marvel in the late 70s to try and move Marvel into the movie arena and they were so desperate they were practically giving the rights away.

It was Fox and Columbia/Sony (and to a certain extent New Line Cinema/Warner Bros with Blade) that took them from the doldrums and put them on the fucking map. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 06, 2015, 08:56:40 pm
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Said no billionaire ever.  ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: derekwc on March 06, 2015, 09:37:38 pm
At heart, I'm a nosey muthafucker.  I wanna know what's going on behind the scenes.  Clearly Marvel/Disney are not happy about having to share movie rights to some of their most prominent properties with other companies.  I wouldn't be happy if it were me.  But the relationship between Marvel/Disney and Sony appears to be much better than the relationship with Fox.  Spidey is now a part of the MCU.  And Spidey merch continues at retail, unabated.  Including action figures.  And several more Spidey figs were shown at Toy Fair.  No X-Men or FF figures were shown.  I realize there was an X-Men wave and box set from 2014, but they were probably in the works before Ike had his conniption.  And they were both Toys R Us exclusives.  Hasbro couldn't bail. 

So something is obviously going on at the highest levels of both companies to keep this feud stoked.  I wanna know what it is.  ;D 

I think the dick move with Quicksilver was enough. Geriatric Billionaire or not, I know that would make me hold a grudge.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on March 10, 2015, 01:14:34 pm
Finally, a Secret Wars tie-in that I can get behind:

http://www.newsarama.com/23756-squadron-sinister-return-in-a-new-secret-wars-tie-in.html

With Carlos Pacheco on art!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 10, 2015, 04:34:00 pm
Finally, a Secret Wars tie-in that I can get behind:

http://www.newsarama.com/23756-squadron-sinister-return-in-a-new-secret-wars-tie-in.html

With Carlos Pacheco on art!

We finally get them back....and they're villains again.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 10, 2015, 04:50:08 pm
I think the Arkon series looks decent too.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 17, 2015, 10:19:24 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/23821-marvel-comics-full-june-2015-solicitations.html

For the first time in years, I feel like buying some Marvel Comics.  Weirdworld, Squadron Sinister, and Future Imperfect. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 18, 2015, 07:04:16 pm
This will likely be my lightest month for me in some time from Marvel.  The obvious continuations of titles I like I'll probably go for (Ghost Racers, Guardians of Knowhere, Thors, maybe Groot), but the storyline-as-a-physical-location idea seems strange/lame and the creative teams often feel like people that would have been given shots at Annuals to prove their worth on stories that won't have an impact the second you put them down.

I hope I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 18, 2015, 07:40:20 pm
Well Guggenheim and Pacheco are the creative team on Squadron Sinister.  David and Land are the team on Future Imperfect.  But yeah, a lot of the other stuff looks like tryout titles.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on March 18, 2015, 09:21:43 pm
WEIRDWORLD sounds cool. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on March 18, 2015, 09:44:49 pm
WEIRDWORLD sounds cool. 

I was thinking the same thing  [exactly]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 18, 2015, 10:25:42 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/23835-here-are-the-33-marvel-ongoings-ending-before-secret-wars.html

Marvel are cancelling 14 titles I currently read. That's about 75% of their stuff that I buy.

Now I understand that the chiefs at Marvel and DC are trying to make comics more attractive to the masses to bring in new readers and hence sales, but I can't help but scratch my head at how they think this affects their long time readers, y'know, the ones actually buying their product??

I've been reading comics a long time without a break. So I've basically got OCD when it comes to some titles like Uncanny X-Men. If they're publishing it, then I can't help but buy it because it's something I've done for 30 years. Looking at their new solicitations, I know they're doing all this fancy new stuff with Secret Wars which is just a great big wave of the wand to accommodate movie nuances, but I can't see myself picking up fourteen (or more) new titles to replace Uncanny and the other cancelled titles.

It's a weird time to be a comic collector.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on March 18, 2015, 10:45:04 pm
"For those with print mail subscriptions to these titles now ending, Marvel tells Newsarama that the remaining issues of the pertinent subscriptions will be rolled into another title."

We're sorry that Superior Iron Man is ending, but we've signed you up for the Unbeatable Squirrel Girl instead!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on March 19, 2015, 10:09:22 am
I think I'm going to sit this one out. Maybe, after a couple months, things will settle down and I will get back to reading marvel comics. This will give me some time to buy more back issues from the 80s. Axis was bad, Fear Itself was pointless. I just can't see myself wanting to spend money or time on this cash grab crap. Oh well.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on March 19, 2015, 01:39:10 pm
Definitely.

Nothing about the Secret Wars/Battleworld theme excites me. I will try one or two titles based on the concept. This event feels so similar to Convergence. A lot of titles coming out, but nothing that will really matter long term.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 19, 2015, 03:02:17 pm
Yeah, I'm the same. There's some interest in Master of Kung Fu and stuff like that, but I don't need to revisit Inferno or X-Tinction Agenda again.

Not to mention the main Secret Wars title is written by Hickman. It's only eight issues so by issue #8 he'll have barely introduced the characters.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on March 19, 2015, 04:33:05 pm
"For those with print mail subscriptions to these titles now ending, Marvel tells Newsarama that the remaining issues of the pertinent subscriptions will be rolled into another title."

We're sorry that Superior Iron Man is ending, but we've signed you up for the Unbeatable Squirrel Girl instead!
Yah and not soon after reviving spiderman  2099  (xmen 2099 being the other title that didnt suck!) they again kill it. If any non white spiderman deserves a movie its miguel freakin ohara.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 19, 2015, 07:04:24 pm
"For those with print mail subscriptions to these titles now ending, Marvel tells Newsarama that the remaining issues of the pertinent subscriptions will be rolled into another title."

We're sorry that Superior Iron Man is ending, but we've signed you up for the Unbeatable Squirrel Girl instead!
Yah and not soon after reviving spiderman  2099  (xmen 2099 being the other title that didnt suck!) they again kill it. If any non white spiderman deserves a movie its miguel freakin ohara.

With Bendis being Marvel's equivalent of Geoff Johns I think Miguel is stuck in the bleachers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on March 20, 2015, 12:37:34 pm

Not to mention the main Secret Wars title is written by Hickman. It's only eight issues so by issue #8 he'll have barely introduced the characters.

Haha, I agree.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 20, 2015, 03:10:25 pm
My LCS mentioned this week that comic prices would be going up because of the drop in exchange rate of the A$ to the US$. Pretty good timing that Marvel are reducing my pull list.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 23, 2015, 12:24:36 am
It just occurred to me....if all this Secret Wars stuff is going to blur reality and we're getting storylines based on the return of Inferno, X-Tinction agenda, etc, are Marvel going to conveniently omit Wolverine?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on March 23, 2015, 12:55:04 pm
I think that marvel feels they have some success with Spider Gwen and will use Secret War to bring back every character ever and hope that something sticks.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 24, 2015, 04:27:09 pm
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/ms-marvel-thor-headline-marvels-all-new-all-different-avengers-team?utm_campaign=ms-marvel-thor-headline-marvels-all-new-all-different-avengers-t&utm_medium=email&utm_source=breaking_bulletin

Whelp....that's one less title to buy. Not interested in those two characters and still haven't taken to Falcap.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 24, 2015, 07:48:55 pm
On the flip side, this is exactly what I'm looking for.  I like the teams of lesser-knowns.  New Warriors turned out to be pure gold with essentially the same formula.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 25, 2015, 03:06:11 am
On the flip side, this is exactly what I'm looking for.  I like the teams of lesser-knowns.  New Warriors turned out to be pure gold with essentially the same formula.

Better milk that idea then!!!

On the flipside, Hickman had a mega cast of awesome and wrote some of the dullest Avengers stories in years.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 27, 2015, 08:44:14 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/23947-axel-alonso-says-x-men-will-have-new-world-post-secret-wars.html

Wha...?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 27, 2015, 09:48:34 pm
As a long time fan it just makes me sad.

It'd be worse if I was one of the driving creators like Claremont. Seeing everything you spent years developing being shit all over.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on March 28, 2015, 06:46:23 pm
Eh, the X-Men comics really haven't been relevant for some time, IMHO.  Bendis certainly hasn't helped -- though I did like All-New X-Men for about a year.

I've said this before, but it's even more true now -- Marvel is never going to match the fun of the comics from the 60s and 70s and some of the 80s. In an effort to keep their characters fresh -- they just take them down increasingly frustrating paths. I think the best we can hope for -- is more individual titles like Hawkeye and Black Widow that are really their own thing. Book like Avengers, X-Men and Fantastic Four are just too tied in with mainstream projects.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 29, 2015, 05:00:02 am
Eh, the X-Men comics really haven't been relevant for some time, IMHO.  Bendis certainly hasn't helped -- though I did like All-New X-Men for about a year.

I've said this before, but it's even more true now -- Marvel is never going to match the fun of the comics from the 60s and 70s and some of the 80s. In an effort to keep their characters fresh -- they just take them down increasingly frustrating paths. I think the best we can hope for -- is more individual titles like Hawkeye and Black Widow that are really their own thing. Book like Avengers, X-Men and Fantastic Four are just too tied in with mainstream projects.

Well said. When it was just Uncanny and Wolverine it was great. Then Marvel just had to saturate.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 29, 2015, 11:23:54 am
Everything did change with the original Secret Wars.  Those of us around then just didn't see it happening.  It was the first time an EiC decided it was time for wholesale changes in the line dictated from the top.  And it led to all of what we have now from the big two. 

Fuck Jim Shooter for that.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 29, 2015, 04:23:05 pm
Everything did change with the original Secret Wars.  Those of us around then just didn't see it happening.  It was the first time an EiC decided it was time for wholesale changes in the line dictated from the top.  And it led to all of what we have now from the big two. 

Fuck Jim Shooter for that.

I didn't mind that time at all. I loved Secret Wars. At least there weren't 12 different X-Books and you didn't need to look far and wide just to find your 3 or 4 favourite X-Characters.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 29, 2015, 04:32:18 pm
I get that.  But top down dictates for creative folks (and even the rest of us) don't generally work.   I see the twelve differnet X-books and the ten different Avengers titles are a separate issue from tyrants like Shooter, Carlin, Harras, Didio, etc.  Servicing the Franchises. 

My original point is that Secret Wars spawn Crisis which spawn everything since.  And Shooter was it's architect.   


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 03, 2015, 06:02:44 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04/03/x-men-will-not-be-in-a-segregated-universe-post-secret-wars-but-how-many-will-survive/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: bigraj on April 21, 2015, 02:22:47 pm
Actually stopped into one of the comic shops in town this afternoon and bought Thanos vs Hulk #1 - 4.  Issue #1 is a 2nd printing, but that doesn't bother me.  Maybe I'll read it this week.  They are my two favorite comic characters, after all.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 22, 2015, 12:15:21 am
So, Iceman is gay now.

I know that don't sit right with some of you.

I'm of mixed opinion of it myself.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 22, 2015, 01:15:38 am
So, Iceman is gay now.

I know that don't sit right with some of you.

I'm of mixed opinion of it myself.

It's not right that he's also white too. That's so cliche.

He should be a middle aged female Eskimo too.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 22, 2015, 01:24:11 am
I understand why they did it.

The argument of "Can't they just create a new character?" Has come up.

But they have! I can name a dozen gay characters. And I bet you've not heard of most of 'em.

We now have a high profile FOUNDING member of the team.

I sympathise with longtime fans, I do. But only in the sense that they are changing longstanding canon.

But it happens all the time, these characters are perpetually young (sliding timescales) so while the character has existed for 50+ years, he's still only in his 20s.

Meanwhile, I didn't come out until my 30s, and did date women.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 22, 2015, 09:10:08 am
So, Iceman is gay now.

I know that don't sit right with some of you.

I'm of mixed opinion of it myself.

Same here. I don't mind the fact that he's gay as much as that this means he's been living a lie all these years. If anything, make him bi, but they aren't. Also, it feels like they are just giving into those who have been calling for him to be gay for years now.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 22, 2015, 11:33:28 am
I don't mind him being straight. Or bi, or gay. Honestly, he's a great character regardless.

Personally, though, I like Northstar more. Bobby would make the top ten list of my favorite MUTANTS, but wouldn't make the top ten of my favorite SUPERHEROES.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 22, 2015, 06:48:56 pm
If they finally do a Rogue solo title they'll have to make her a white, early forties married guy so that I can identify better with the character.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 22, 2015, 07:24:33 pm
So, Iceman is gay now.

I know that don't sit right with some of you.

I'm of mixed opinion of it myself.

Same here. I don't mind the fact that he's gay as much as that this means he's been living a lie all these years. If anything, make him bi, but they aren't. Also, it feels like they are just giving into those who have been calling for him to be gay for years now.

I dont like it. To me makng  a LONG establshed character suddenly gay screams of pc appeasement and lazy writers. I know disney marvel put a moritorium on no new mutants but they coulda ressurrected some obscure no one even remembers the character mutant from before and made him /her /it gay. I quit reading comics years ago when they became more than a 3 buck gallon of gas so i dont really care but it irritates the hell outta me they feel they gotta do this retconning straights to gay crap...... especially  to poor iceman.

Since whats his nut is leaving the book guess he thought...hey i wont have to deal with it later.....kinda like when ol arnie left office but pardoned a buncha criminals he shouldnt have.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 22, 2015, 07:29:00 pm
If they finally do a Rogue solo title they'll have to make her a white, early forties married guy so that I can identify better with the character.

Or suddenly northstar hooks up with emma frost so my canadian friend can relate to him better. While we're at it black panthers secret white love child shows up and becomes king of wakanda and scarlett witchs alternate universe male self shows up as the fuschia warlock. 

 [impatient] [rimshot]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 22, 2015, 08:14:49 pm
So, Iceman is gay now.

I know that don't sit right with some of you.

I'm of mixed opinion of it myself.

Same here. I don't mind the fact that he's gay as much as that this means he's been living a lie all these years. If anything, make him bi, but they aren't. Also, it feels like they are just giving into those who have been calling for him to be gay for years now.

I dont like it. To me makng  a LONG establshed character suddenly gay screams of pc appeasement and lazy writers. I know disney marvel put a moritorium on no new mutants but they coulda ressurrected some obscure no one even remembers the character mutant from before and made him /her /it gay. I quit reading comics years ago when they became more than a 3 buck gallon of gas so i dont really care but it irritates the hell outta me they feel they gotta do this retconning straights to gay crap...... especially  to poor iceman.

Since whats his nut is leaving the book guess he thought...hey i wont have to deal with it later.....kinda like when ol arnie left office but pardoned a buncha criminals he shouldnt have.


Read the playboy article.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on April 22, 2015, 08:55:59 pm
Meanwhile, I didn't come out until my 30s, and did date women.

I'm straight, and you probably had more dates and better luck with women than I did.  ;D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 22, 2015, 09:12:27 pm
I'm not saying you can't be upset that Iceman is gay.

But the excuse that they turned a canon straight character gay is an excuse. He never explicitly stated his sexuality before.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 22, 2015, 09:13:57 pm
Meanwhile, I didn't come out until my 30s, and did date women.

I'm straight, and you probably had more dates and better luck with women than I did.  ;D
Two college girlfriends, and I truly did have feelings for both.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 22, 2015, 09:21:59 pm
So, Iceman is gay now.

I know that don't sit right with some of you.

I'm of mixed opinion of it myself.

Same here. I don't mind the fact that he's gay as much as that this means he's been living a lie all these years. If anything, make him bi, but they aren't. Also, it feels like they are just giving into those who have been calling for him to be gay for years now.

I dont like it. To me makng  a LONG establshed character suddenly gay screams of pc appeasement and lazy writers. I know disney marvel put a moritorium on no new mutants but they coulda ressurrected some obscure no one even remembers the character mutant from before and made him /her /it gay. I quit reading comics years ago when they became more than a 3 buck gallon of gas so i dont really care but it irritates the hell outta me they feel they gotta do this retconning straights to gay crap...... especially  to poor iceman.

Since whats his nut is leaving the book guess he thought...hey i wont have to deal with it later.....kinda like when ol arnie left office but pardoned a buncha criminals he shouldnt have.


Read the playboy article.

Playboy has articles?  :P


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 22, 2015, 09:24:17 pm
Haha. Lemme find you a link...

http://www.playboy.com/articles/one-of-the-x-men-is-gay-and-it-matters-more-than-you-think


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 22, 2015, 09:52:59 pm
Haha. Lemme find you a link...

http://www.playboy.com/articles/one-of-the-x-men-is-gay-and-it-matters-more-than-you-think

Hhhhoooollleeee schnikes....playboy has words.  [crazy] [thud]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 22, 2015, 10:24:26 pm
When are thay gonna make a gay character straight?  Or a black character white?  Or a female into a male? 

Or bring back the real Spider-Man?  :P


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 22, 2015, 11:06:45 pm
Progress doesn't work in reverse, Gard.

I respect your feelings in this matter. But I can't agree with them.


Except in regards to Spidey. We're on the same page there. I think all they need to do there is retcon the marriage so he's hitched again.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 22, 2015, 11:24:00 pm

Except in regards to Spidey. We're on the same page there. I think all they need to do there is retcon the marriage so he's hitched again.

As a middle aged man I feel weird reading about the adventures of a teenaged boy.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 23, 2015, 12:10:00 am
So you want him to be 80?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 23, 2015, 03:40:48 am
So you want him to be 80?

40's, paunchy, grey and balding, marriage on the skids, ungrateful children, mistress on the side, owing money to the wrong kinda people, etc  ;D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 23, 2015, 03:51:46 am
See, I just kind of accept it. I'm older than the actors playing Loki, Captain America, and The Flash.

In the words of Montague Withnail:

"There comes a time in a young man's life when he wakes one morning and says to himself 'I will never play the dane'".


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 23, 2015, 05:32:03 am
Progress doesn't work in reverse, Gard.
I think hes saying that if the changes work one way....to be fair to all sides they MUST work the other. One side screams fairness, one side screams unfair. Honestly i think that  to be fair black characters should be turned white ( for instance a white powerman with no relation to luke cage but same type of powers etc, make a mr marvel...but please dont put him in the black onsie) and lets look at the outrage there. And justin the i trest of fairness i hated that colonel togh in the new bst remake was turned into a white guy. If you do it one way to appease one group then to be fair you must do it the other way to please the other group otherwise it's catering to special intrests.
After  all they are "just making new characters to gather new readers" . :P

Except in regards to Spidey. We're on the same page there. I think all they need to do there is retcon the marriage so he's hitched again.

I am 100% with you on this if for no other reason Mayday Parker would be in the cannon again. I freakin loved that book and when she and dad adventured together a few times. Plus i love that figure!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 23, 2015, 06:29:57 am
I think (hope) that young Bobby being gay doesn't necessarily mean that older Bobby is (full) gay. There is no way these young X-Men can still be the older X-Men. Jean has new powers -- never refers to herself as Marvel Girl. Iceman has started manipulating ice after it has been formed. That changes their future -- but you can't change the past of the older X-Men. So, more than likely they are a parallel universe team. But it's possible that the split happened when Beast went back and got them -- so that older and younger Bobby Drake should have had the same experiences/feelings up until the time Beast arrived.

Frankly, I'm fine with the younger version being gay, but if the older one is (full) gay -- then it really demeans his character. Not that he's gay, but that he continued to date/use women regularly well into his 30s (I'm guessing he must be in early 30s by now). If older Iceman is in the closet, the implication is that it's more difficult to be gay in the Marvel universe than it is to be a mutant. Frankly, it makes this happy-go-lucky character much darker and a class A d-bag. It just doesn't fit.

So older Jean Grey, Emma Frost and Moondragon were not aware of this or chose to ignore it? And why is young Bobby so sure he's (full) gay? And why does young Jean Grey feel the need to push this so hard. What was Bobby thinking when he stated that some girl was hot (oh, I'm just saying this so no one will suspect that I'm really into dudes) -- come on! Jean would have to have really peered deeper to realize that it was a cover. More realistic would have been if Bobby was crushing on someone than making a statement about the hotness of some chick. And is Bendis saying that a gay guy can't tell a woman she's hot?! I think that guy (Benids) is an ass anyway, but he's on a very slippery slope with this storyline.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 23, 2015, 07:00:13 am
Progress doesn't work in reverse, Gard.

I respect your feelings in this matter. But I can't agree with them.

Well, I was joking.  Kinda hard to tell on a message board sometimes.  ;)

But I'm also not sure I regard all of it as progress.  Actual progress would be to create some new, relateable, dynamic female, black, Hispanic, gay, Asian, etc. characters.  Not appropriating established characters and swap out names or even character details.  For instance, Nick Fury will always be the one-eyed cigar chomping immortal WWII vet (to me).  Yes, the original white guy.  Don't get me wrong, I understand that this has been going on for decades.  And even outside Marvel/DC.  Blue Beetle comes to mind.  Not just Jaime, Ted was a replacement hero too IMHO. 

I sincerely believe that to grow the fanbase, you need to do something new, not just shuffle names, ethnicities, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 23, 2015, 07:35:04 am
I sincerely believe that to grow the fanbase, you need to do something new, not just shuffle names, ethnicities, etc.
[exactly]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 23, 2015, 08:20:17 am
And to clarify, legacy is an overused word in comics.  Particularly DC comics.  A legacy, for all intents and purposes, should be a relatively straight line from the original character.  Is Ray Palmer really a legacy from Al Pratt?  Is Kator Hol really a legacy of Carter Hall?  Is Adrian Chase really a legacy of Greg Saunders?  In many ways, I don't think so.  Especially if the GAer in question is still active.  A true lagacy character would be Zatanna.  Or Atom Smasher.  Or any number of others. 

But swapping names just for the sake of it blows. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 23, 2015, 11:23:15 am
In a perfect world, Gard, you'd be absolutely right.

But even Marvel's most prominent gay character (Northstar) doesn't have the cachet that one of the First Five X-Men would have.

Yes, I can understand the argument that it seems a bit extraneous, but they at least picked a character who it felt somewhat natural to do this with.

There was even a Family Guy joke about it!

They didn't make Summers gay, at least.

(God, I always loved debating you, Gard. You really keep a level head.)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 23, 2015, 11:44:28 am
No one other than poot or JSay ever really pissed me off all that much. ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 23, 2015, 01:10:41 pm
In a perfect world, Gard, you'd be absolutely right.

But even Marvel's most prominent gay character (Northstar) doesn't have the cachet that one of the First Five X-Men would have.

Yes, I can understand the argument that it seems a bit extraneous, but they at least picked a character who it felt somewhat natural to do this with.

There was even a Family Guy joke about it!

They didn't make Summers gay, at least.

(God, I always love debating you, Gard. You really keep a level head.)

I dunno...i figured if any of the first five would been gay it woulda been cyke. Ol one eye? I know bad pun.
 Speaking of bad theres a movie called one eyed monster...and the plot...i shit you not....is an alien takes over ron jeremys penis and kills ron then uses his junk to not only try to propegate its species usong said phallus to impregenate the women but it kills the guys....its soooooo terrobly wromg its hilarious!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 23, 2015, 01:55:38 pm
I just don't see it with Cyke.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 23, 2015, 02:07:15 pm
I just don't see it with Cyke.

It was a bad penis pun....cyclops, one eye.... [rimshot] [runaway]



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on April 23, 2015, 02:35:40 pm
I thought I would chime in on this discussion. I feel that Marvel is in a position where they feel that a comic that is well written with exciting artwork and characters isn't going to sell well enough to make them happy. When a comic is good, readers will suggest the book to other readers and , hopefully, they will buy it and suggest it to other new readers. Apparently, this isn't happening enough to make Marvel happy. So, they have to find other ways to get the word out about their comics. Now they have to come up with "newsworthy" events that get covered in other media to get the word out. This means killing off major characters every quarter and making Iceman gay, so people will talk about it. It's a lot easier to do that than it is to write a good comic and pay a good artist. Let's be honest, does anybody think this is going to bring 1000's of new readers to the comic shops? I doubt it. Anyhow, sorry for being long winded, I haven't posted in awhile. How's everyone doing?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 23, 2015, 02:46:07 pm
I thought I would chime in on this discussion. I feel that Marvel is in a position where they feel that a comic that is well written with exciting artwork and characters isn't going to sell well enough to make them happy. When a comic is good, readers will suggest the book to other readers and , hopefully, they will buy it and suggest it to other new readers. Apparently, this isn't happening enough to make Marvel happy. So, they have to find other ways to get the word out about their comics. Now they have to come up with "newsworthy" events that get covered in other media to get the word out. This means killing off major characters every quarter and making Iceman gay, so people will talk about it. It's a lot easier to do that than it is to write a good comic and pay a good artist. Let's be honest, does anybody think this is going to bring 1000's of new readers to the comic shops? I doubt it. Anyhow, sorry for being long winded, I haven't posted in awhile. How's everyone doing?
Hiding in the man cave working on figures! Thought you might fallen into an alternate reality where everyone was a fraggle. Haha

Doin' good now that i freakin have canle again.....cartoons, ridiculousness, tmnt, rizzoli and isles south park aaaaaannnddd WALKING BLOODY DEAD!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on April 23, 2015, 02:51:17 pm
I thought I would chime in on this discussion. I feel that Marvel is in a position where they feel that a comic that is well written with exciting artwork and characters isn't going to sell well enough to make them happy. When a comic is good, readers will suggest the book to other readers and , hopefully, they will buy it and suggest it to other new readers. Apparently, this isn't happening enough to make Marvel happy. So, they have to find other ways to get the word out about their comics. Now they have to come up with "newsworthy" events that get covered in other media to get the word out. This means killing off major characters every quarter and making Iceman gay, so people will talk about it. It's a lot easier to do that than it is to write a good comic and pay a good artist. Let's be honest, does anybody think this is going to bring 1000's of new readers to the comic shops? I doubt it. Anyhow, sorry for being long winded, I haven't posted in awhile. How's everyone doing?
Hiding in the man cave working on figures! Thought you might fallen into an alternate reality where everyone was a fraggle. Haha

Doin' good now that i freakin have canle again.....cartoons, ridiculousness, tmnt, rizzoli and isles south park aaaaaannnddd WALKING BLOODY DEAD!
I recommend "Vikings" if you have time.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 23, 2015, 04:05:35 pm
I thought I would chime in on this discussion. I feel that Marvel is in a position where they feel that a comic that is well written with exciting artwork and characters isn't going to sell well enough to make them happy. When a comic is good, readers will suggest the book to other readers and , hopefully, they will buy it and suggest it to other new readers. Apparently, this isn't happening enough to make Marvel happy. So, they have to find other ways to get the word out about their comics. Now they have to come up with "newsworthy" events that get covered in other media to get the word out. This means killing off major characters every quarter and making Iceman gay, so people will talk about it. It's a lot easier to do that than it is to write a good comic and pay a good artist. Let's be honest, does anybody think this is going to bring 1000's of new readers to the comic shops? I doubt it. Anyhow, sorry for being long winded, I haven't posted in awhile. How's everyone doing?
Or perhaps they know their demographic isn't just straight white males and they wanted to make sure that demographic got representation?

Welcome back, btw! ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 23, 2015, 04:35:27 pm
I thought I would chime in on this discussion. I feel that Marvel is in a position where they feel that a comic that is well written with exciting artwork and characters isn't going to sell well enough to make them happy. When a comic is good, readers will suggest the book to other readers and , hopefully, they will buy it and suggest it to other new readers. Apparently, this isn't happening enough to make Marvel happy. So, they have to find other ways to get the word out about their comics. Now they have to come up with "newsworthy" events that get covered in other media to get the word out. This means killing off major characters every quarter and making Iceman gay, so people will talk about it. It's a lot easier to do that than it is to write a good comic and pay a good artist. Let's be honest, does anybody think this is going to bring 1000's of new readers to the comic shops? I doubt it. Anyhow, sorry for being long winded, I haven't posted in awhile. How's everyone doing?
Hiding in the man cave working on figures! Thought you might fallen into an alternate reality where everyone was a fraggle. Haha

Doin' good now that i freakin have canle again.....cartoons, ridiculousness, tmnt, rizzoli and isles south park aaaaaannnddd WALKING BLOODY DEAD!
I recommend "Vikings" if you have time.
Ill check it out. A show about vikings has to be good and not laden with pansy mushy love crap right? RIGHT?!  >:D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 23, 2015, 05:01:16 pm
....... I feel that Marvel is in a position where they feel that a comic that is well written with exciting artwork and characters isn't going to sell well enough to make them happy.....

Yeah, well if only they'd actually start there.

Welcome back.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on April 23, 2015, 05:14:28 pm
....... I feel that Marvel is in a position where they feel that a comic that is well written with exciting artwork and characters isn't going to sell well enough to make them happy.....

Yeah, well if only they'd actually start there.

Welcome back.
Thanks, I agree. I think they are going for events and headline grabbing ideas as opposed to just selling good comics. I do think that there are some good marvel comics.
I've enjoyed:
Punisher
Black Widow
Iron fist
Moon Knight
Hawkeye
And I am trying to like spider woman.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on April 23, 2015, 05:21:15 pm
I thought I would chime in on this discussion. I feel that Marvel is in a position where they feel that a comic that is well written with exciting artwork and characters isn't going to sell well enough to make them happy. When a comic is good, readers will suggest the book to other readers and , hopefully, they will buy it and suggest it to other new readers. Apparently, this isn't happening enough to make Marvel happy. So, they have to find other ways to get the word out about their comics. Now they have to come up with "newsworthy" events that get covered in other media to get the word out. This means killing off major characters every quarter and making Iceman gay, so people will talk about it. It's a lot easier to do that than it is to write a good comic and pay a good artist. Let's be honest, does anybody think this is going to bring 1000's of new readers to the comic shops? I doubt it. Anyhow, sorry for being long winded, I haven't posted in awhile. How's everyone doing?
Or perhaps they know their demographic isn't just straight white males and they wanted to make sure that demographic got representation?

Welcome back, btw! ;)
Thanks man. I agree that the demographics for comic readers has changed since 1950 and it's taken awhile for the publishers to catch up but I doubt Marvel made this decision out of fairness or good story telling. I guess I will quit my complaining. Just because I'm unhappy with marvel, doesn't mean somebody else can't find some positive in all this.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on April 23, 2015, 05:55:47 pm
That Playboy article is well worth the read (if a bit long-winded).  There is another possibility to explain any potential difference between young and old Iceman.  In the Black Vortex story, that finished this same week, young Iceman was changed by the Black Vortex into a cosmic badass, and then back again.  (So were several others.)  The catch was that you would not be fully changed back, something perhaps not so noticeable at first,would also change.  Young Iceman came back out the other side as a being of ice (rather than snow) when powered up.  That was a change that was more or less inevitable for him.  Turning gay could be the "real" side effect.

For reference, young Cyclops did the same with the only difference noticed by young Jean Grey as having his "heart" changed.  I figure that's a plot device to allow him to love someone other than young Jean.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 23, 2015, 06:52:22 pm
I love that!   :D

Cosmic gayness!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 23, 2015, 07:02:35 pm
I love that!   :D

Cosmic gayness!
If galactus ever comes out......i feel sorry for his man.  [rimshot]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 23, 2015, 08:43:24 pm
I love you guys.  [beer]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 24, 2015, 05:38:38 pm
I love you guys.  [beer]

I'm very huggable   ;D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 24, 2015, 05:40:41 pm
Been thinking about what Chooch said I hope it's not the case of the Black Vortex changing Bobby. If they did, it would be a huge cop out. The fact that is sexuality change wasn't a choice, but the result of an external cosmic force that can't be explained. Bet the media would love that.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 24, 2015, 06:01:45 pm
I love you guys.  [beer]

I'm very huggable   ;D

If you get hugged too hard do you fart too?  [sign]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 25, 2015, 03:13:14 am
I love you guys.  [beer]

I'm very huggable   ;D

If you get hugged too hard do you fart too?  [sign]

Well I am talented enough to multitask.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: powersthatbe on April 26, 2015, 09:53:45 pm
there's a fair representation of gay characters in the x men already,rictor,shatterstar,northstar and ultimate colossus.hank mccoy even admitted he had gay feelings when he was cat beast if i recall.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 27, 2015, 01:18:24 am
But Iceman has history, and name recognition that those others do not.

Regardless, its a moot point, it happened. I know its uncomfortable for some, and I respect that. But it is what it is.

You should read the article I linked, it's pretty good at addressing concerns, and explaining why this is important.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: powersthatbe on April 27, 2015, 01:24:01 am
I know,North Star got some media attention,but you're right,Iceman is a bigger name,everyone knows him from the spider friends cartoon at least.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 27, 2015, 02:04:20 am
Exactly. And in the end, it's not like they made gay some big name character who's been married for decades.

Think of it this way: even though he's existed for 50+ years, in continuity he's late 20s/early 30s at the most.

I'm older than Iceman, and didn't come out until this past December. I dated girls, but I've known I was gay since my 20s.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 27, 2015, 02:33:37 pm
So, with issue #5, Spider-Woman enters a bold new direction. Gone is the classic (some would say dated) leonard, and in is more casual/less costumey ensemble with ridiculous goggles included. The web gliders are much small -- (would really do jackshit if she tried to fly on them) and we see her doing a lot of motorcycle stunts (blah).

The artist is decent in places, but weak in others.

The story pissed me off when Spider-Woman let the police take he into custody and "unmask" her. When did she reveal her identity to the public. I'll give this a few more issues, but I'm still waiting for a Spider-Woman that is comparable in quality to her original series (well ... the Wolfman or Claremont issues).

Anyone else think it's weird that there are now three different Spider-Chick series?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 27, 2015, 05:07:00 pm
So, with issue #5, Spider-Woman enters a bold new direction. Gone is the classic (some would say dated) leonard, and in is more casual/less costumey ensemble with ridiculous goggles included. The web gliders are much small -- (would really do jackshit if she tried to fly on them) and we see her doing a lot of motorcycle stunts (blah).

The artist is decent in places, but weak in others.

The story pissed me off when Spider-Woman let the police take he into custody and "unmask" her. When did she reveal her identity to the public. I'll give this a few more issues, but I'm still waiting for a Spider-Woman that is comparable in quality to her original series (well ... the Wolfman or Claremont issues).

Anyone else think it's weird that there are now three different Spider-Chick series?

No cause they seem to be different. At least silk and arana are in a real costume and not some douchey high schooler hipster bullcrap.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on April 27, 2015, 05:41:10 pm

Anyone else think it's weird that there are now three different Spider-Chick series?

Things tend to work in waves like that though.  One idea strikes gold, the market is flooded with similar ideas and ultimately a few of them stick.  It's kind of like Superhero movies right now.  Yeah, the wave will crash, but I'll bet sea level is higher than when it started.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 27, 2015, 05:51:48 pm

Anyone else think it's weird that there are now three different Spider-Chick series?

Things tend to work in waves like that though.  One idea strikes gold, the market is flooded with similar ideas and ultimately a few of them stick.  It's kind of like Superhero movies right now.  Yeah, the wave will crash, but I'll bet sea level is higher than when it started.

Its only higher due to corpses of failure pushing up the sea level ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on April 27, 2015, 09:09:20 pm
Corpses of Failure would be a wicked-awesome band name.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on April 27, 2015, 09:15:54 pm
Corpses of Failure would be a wicked-awesome band name.

Im guessing either a symphonic norwegian black metal band......   [hi5]......or a boyband.  [crazy] [rimshot]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 27, 2015, 10:09:32 pm
This goes for both Marvel and DC.  I think gay characters and debating how many Spider Babes there are is kinda moot when you're in the midst of deconstructing a universe.  Just my two cents.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on April 27, 2015, 11:41:03 pm
In Marvel's case, the sum will be better than its parts. InDC's case, the sooner we're rid of the New 52, the better, though we may not like what we get as a result.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 28, 2015, 07:16:42 am
Marvel is too willing to change their comic properties to match up with however they are portrayed in the  mass media. I see that they've even tinted Gamora's jet black hair with red. Frankly, nothing about the film or Bendis's version of Gamora has been very interesting. Starlin's best days may be behind him, but he knew how to write her as a bad ass babe.

DC put themselves in a very precarious situation. If they announce they are going back, they will lose new readers -- and I'm sure they value newer readers over older (and I mean that in both aspects of the word) readers. I think they are close to the point of throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks. That's why we're getting a Black Canary series where the main character is in a goth rock band. Horrible.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 28, 2015, 07:42:51 am
Off topic I know, but DC's problems extend back to the beginnings of modern day comics.  Gardner Fox making Jay Garrick a "comic book character" that inspired Barry Allen was the first step down the road we're still on.  Obviously, Fox had no way of knowing what it would set in motion, but DC writers and editors have been dealing with it ever since.  And we, the fans have been dealing with the way the "pros" have been dealing with it as well.

Twenty years later came the "DC Implosion" and TPTB at DC have been playing catch up with Marvel ever since.  Problem is, you don't compete with Marvel by being like Marvel, you compete by being distinct from Marvel.  A lesson DC suits and editors have yet to learn.   


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 28, 2015, 09:26:02 am
Preview of A-Force. Don't know about the story, but the art sure is pretty. No idea why one variant covers shows Spider-Woman swinging from a web -- or why Dazzler appears to flying in the story.

http://www.newsarama.com/24314-marvel-first-look-a-force-1.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 01, 2015, 01:30:01 am
Preview of A-Force. Don't know about the story, but the art sure is pretty. No idea why one variant covers shows Spider-Woman swinging from a web -- or why Dazzler appears to flying in the story.

http://www.newsarama.com/24314-marvel-first-look-a-force-1.html

I've put my name down for just 4 new titles and this is one of them.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 01, 2015, 01:32:51 am
Anyone else find it amusing that marvel using 3 numerics to number their comics? So a first issue is 001 and so on. As if any of their titles will ever hit triple digits again instead of being "canceled" and relaunched, probably with a new #0001


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on May 01, 2015, 01:10:10 pm
The classic Squadron Sinister kicks the collective arse of the not-classic Squadron Supreme! They had it coming, IMHO.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/squadron-sinister-1-marvel-comics-2015


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 07, 2015, 05:25:39 pm
Bleeding Cool all over Marvel today...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/could-the-x-men-future-be-the-guardians-of-the-galaxys-past/

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/no-longer-mutants-the-real-father-of-scarlet-witch-and-quicksilver-is/

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/so-what-happens-to-the-x-men-after-secret-wars-spoilers/

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/so-what-happens-to-the-fantastic-four-after-secret-wars-spoilers/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 08, 2015, 01:29:10 am

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/so-what-happens-to-the-x-men-after-secret-wars-spoilers/


Christ-All-Fucking-Mighty!!!!

Fuck you Marvel


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on May 08, 2015, 02:51:59 am
Wow. Lets punish the fans because we can't play with all of our toys at the movies.

Did you ever stop to think that things are BETTER without the X-Men and FF at Disney?

Would the GOTG have EVER gotten a push if the X-Men or Spidey had been on the table?

You got another hit franchise overnight, and you could fucking do it again and again, if you weren't whining and pining for what you CAN'T have, and take stock of what you DO.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: NiteOwl on May 08, 2015, 04:37:04 am

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/so-what-happens-to-the-x-men-after-secret-wars-spoilers/


Christ-All-Fucking-Mighty!!!!

Fuck you Marvel

Holy shit! that is insane.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on May 08, 2015, 06:24:30 am
Corporate minds ruining what the creators built -- simple as that.

Sorry asshats at Marvel -- but whatever the fuck you do with the comics and moratorium on action figures -- will have 0 effect on the success (or lack thereof) on the films. People watch those for 2 big reasons -- their fondness of X-Men comics that were actually good, and their fondness of the past X-Men films. It doesn't fucking matter what you do in the comics now -- you incredibly stupid douchebags.

And please, we all know that your feeble attempt to substitute Inhumans for mutants is doomed to failure. No one cares about a crop of new Inhumans.

And the Fantastic Four haven't really been relevant since the 1960s -- despite some good runs over the years.

Surprised how quickly the guys running Marvel are making the guys at DC actually look good.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on May 08, 2015, 06:39:41 am
Let's add insult to injury.

The true father of Wanda and Pietro is....


















Django Maximoff.

Whatever. The real Marvel Universe died long ago.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 08, 2015, 07:12:22 am
Meh the cancelled spidey 2099 for a second time and have basyardized the punisher beyond all recognition.....i quit comics long ago coming back only for those two titles and now marvel has pulled a dc nu 52...... Im done. Dc marvel they suck beyond suckage is capable of sucking.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 08, 2015, 07:13:27 am
It must be incredibly frustrating for creators to have their work shit all over.
And for those creators trying to work with characters they genuinely love only to have to constantly battle the corporate fuckwits..... and not be able to speak up about it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: eddie3429 on May 08, 2015, 07:21:28 am

in fairness Django was Wanda a peitros father first and it was retconned into Magento later ... its just going back

personally i loved the first issue of secret wars , as the end of 616 ... those last panels were perfect mirror of FF#1 , hickman is Subtle but brilliant

Personally i don't hold to much sacred , if what they are trying doesn't work it will always change back , reset . I'm like that with DC right now, nothing is tickling my boat over there so i have walked away for a bit. but i know one day i'll return when it seems a bit more familiar


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 08, 2015, 07:29:13 am
WB has owned DC for a fairly long time.  We got a long reprieve from the corporate overlords as WB generally ignored DC.  Obviously, that has changed.  

But did anyone ever think that Disney was gonna ignore Marvel?  Not a chance in hell.  See, Disney had a problem:  Plenty of stuff for little kids and girls.  But not much for boys.  That's all changed now.  Marvel and Star Wars.  Problem solved.  What more could our sons, nephews, and little male cousins ever want?  

The bad thing is, it seems that if Marvel/Disney can't fully exploit (for profit) one of their properties, they're gonna fuck it up for everyone else.  Including fans.

Ike's a douche.    


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on May 08, 2015, 01:09:20 pm

in fairness Django was Wanda a peitros father first and it was retconned into Magento later ... its just going back


Actually, Bob Frank (the Whizzer) was their father. But that didn't match with what the twins recalled of their youth -- the unnamed puppet maker. So Maximoff was brought in as a foster father.

I guess it was a collaboration between the X-Office and A-Office that came up with the idea of Magneto as a father. It was done organically -- and worked with the story -- not like this retcon because of movie rights.

I don't see how Uncanny Avengers can survive the mutants leaving Earth -- unless the non-mutants on the team join them -- which would make zero sense. Ah, Acuna deserves a better book anyway.

 [tap]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 08, 2015, 05:06:22 pm
I didn't find Secret Wars #1 to be much chop. It was just another issue in the parallel earth story Hickman has been crafting for the last decade.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on May 08, 2015, 05:22:48 pm
The Maximoff thing hits me, but not badly.

While I am a bigger x-Men fan (and thus, that shitstorm DOES affect me), Wanda and Pietro were always Avengers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 09, 2015, 10:32:25 am
I think having the X-Men split off to their own planet is not necessarily a bad idea.  Feared and hated makes more sense when you don't have Cap and Thor running around.  You do need to have regular humans running around though, so hanging out on a new planet doesn't work as well.  The Terrigen Mists killing mutants, aside from never happening before, makes you wonder what will happen with emerging mutants and/or those regular humans that carry the X-gene that produce mutant offspring.

Reed and Sue mourning their kids becomes a more real possibility with that idea.  Although if Franklin is destined to survive the next contraction of the universe a cloud shouldn't do him much harm.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 10, 2015, 11:16:38 am
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/10/the-future-of-the-616/

Is Secret Wars Marvel's CoIE?  Collapsing their Multiverse?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 10, 2015, 02:29:48 pm
Funny, he sees American exceptionalism while I British fatalism.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 10, 2015, 04:14:59 pm
Ugggghh......I wish it was all over.

I feel more like Abraham Simpson than ever before.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on May 10, 2015, 05:10:18 pm
Haha. I know we hate on event books, but i hindsight, some of them aren't bad.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 10, 2015, 05:23:31 pm
Ugggghh......I wish it was all over.

I feel more like Abraham Simpson than ever before.

I forgot my belt onion today.  :D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 10, 2015, 05:45:31 pm
Ugggghh......I wish it was all over.

I feel more like Abraham Simpson than ever before.

 I thought i smelled preperation H and disappointment.  :P


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 11, 2015, 05:27:47 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/24463-is-marvel-rebooting-its-comics-after-secret-wars-one-marvel-exclusive-writer-says-so.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 11, 2015, 05:52:01 pm
Sounds like they will try tonrelaunch everything to be " ultimate "without the the title behind it to fool readers. Well guess its time to dump my marvel legends and comics like i did when dc did nu screw you.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 12, 2015, 11:45:01 am
Lady Thor revealed....spoilers

























































Its...of all damn people.....Jane Foster. Seriously?! Somehow SHES worthy to be the thunder goddess? Geeeaaawwwdddddayum marvel.....just....damn.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on May 13, 2015, 08:21:23 am
Thought it was a new character, but....













That makes the issue of What-If Jane Foster had become Thor? more valuable!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 14, 2015, 08:52:14 am
Why would a woman that has dedicated her life to helping others, to the point of becoming the ambassador for Earth to an otherworldly kingdom, whose cancer gets worse every time she picks up the hammer to help people, be worthy?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: eddie3429 on May 14, 2015, 09:07:33 am
Why would a woman that has dedicated her life to helping others, to the point of becoming the ambassador for Earth to an otherworldly kingdom, whose cancer gets worse every time she picks up the hammer to help people, be worthy?

Agreed , Stongest people i have seen are those battling Cancer . all the pointless $h!t goes out the window and they fight for what truly matters .

Personally i got no connection to Jane foster she is well before my thor reading days and i don't care for Portman in the films (any films for that matter. But anyone that knows me knows Cancer is a very personal subject for me (and i'm sure many unfortunately ) and i am interested to see how Aaron handles it in the coming issues.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 14, 2015, 09:13:49 am
Why would a woman that has dedicated her life to helping others, to the point of becoming the ambassador for Earth to an otherworldly kingdom, whose cancer gets worse every time she picks up the hammer to help people, be worthy?

Real life cancer is horrible and have had friends and family battle it. but this is a character who never ever held muxh sway for me not to mention portmans terrible portrayal n the films and this whole stint just doesnt feel like anything more than a cash grab like killing superman or captain america.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 14, 2015, 09:37:29 pm
Finished Secret Wars #2.

Fuck me it was a chore. I really don't enjoy Hickman's stuff much.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 14, 2015, 09:40:07 pm
Finished Secret Wars #2.

Fuck me it was a chore. I really don't enjoy Hickman's stuff much.

I'm a bit disappointed in the payoff myself.  I very much like the Thors idea though, so looking forward to Aaron's take on it.  By and large Secret Wars is shaping up to be a Marvel almost-vacation for me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 14, 2015, 10:00:39 pm
Believe it or not, I had both issues of SW in my hand on Wed.  Couldn't pull the trigger.

I still may be down for some of the series though.  Squadron Sinister, Future Imperfect and a couple of others.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 14, 2015, 10:11:55 pm
Color me giving a flying shit about ANYTHING marvel comic only if spiderman 2099 gets his series back for more than 10 issues and punisher isnt all fucked up. Everything else about marvel can suck it as its all FUBARED...BIG TIME!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 14, 2015, 10:41:48 pm
Color me giving a flying shit about ANYTHING marvel comic only if spiderman 2099 gets his series back for more than 10 issues and punisher isnt all fucked up. Everything else about marvel can suck it as its all FUBARED...BIG TIME!

You and Jersey need to have a hate-off. We could sell tickets and make millions. Millions I tells ya!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on May 14, 2015, 11:08:53 pm
 [popcorn]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 15, 2015, 04:55:01 am
Color me giving a flying shit about ANYTHING marvel comic only if spiderman 2099 gets his series back for more than 10 issues and punisher isnt all fucked up. Everything else about marvel can suck it as its all FUBARED...BIG TIME!

You and Jersey need to have a hate-off. We could sell tickets and make millions. Millions I tells ya!

Get lewis black to be the ref!  Haha. I dunno if the earth could take that much hate ....... It might split in two. ;) muahahahaha!  >:D [naughty]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 15, 2015, 06:48:44 am
Believe it or not, I had both issues of SW in my hand on Wed.  Couldn't pull the trigger.

I still may be down for some of the series though.  Squadron Sinister, Future Imperfect and a couple of others.

Oh I'm quite keen for a few of the titles....I'll get Squadron Sinister too. Down for A-Force,  Master of Kung-Fu and the Garth Ennis one.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: eddie3429 on May 15, 2015, 07:36:35 am
I'm personally loving secret wars.

thought Thors were a nice set up for battleworld. loving Doom finally mastering the Beyonder power. always bothers me that villains try a plan, fail and never go back to try again. if any character learns and improves its Doom.

Loved the reveal of the Cabal emerging from the lifecraft . nice twist .


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 15, 2015, 09:08:24 pm
I'm personally loving secret wars.

thought Thors were a nice set up for battleworld. loving Doom finally mastering the Beyonder power. always bothers me that villains try a plan, fail and never go back to try again. if any character learns and improves its Doom.

Loved the reveal of the Cabal emerging from the lifecraft . nice twist .

You're fired.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on May 19, 2015, 06:48:08 pm
 [think]  Soooo, I'm kind of interested in WEIRDWORLD, and possibly MRS. DEADPOOL and the HOWLING COMMANDOS.   Am I stupid?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 19, 2015, 07:29:10 pm
[think]  Soooo, I'm kind of interested in WEIRDWORLD, and possibly MRS. DEADPOOL and the HOWLING COMMANDOS.   Am I stupid?

Well I can't answer that definitively, but you're alright in my books.

There's def some good standalone titles coming out from Marvel. I'm always keen to see Shang-Chi and anything Ennis does. However, I have zero interest in revisiting stuff like X-Tinction Agenda or Inferno.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on May 19, 2015, 08:20:13 pm
Well I can't answer that definitively, but you're alright in my books.

There's def some good standalone titles coming out from Marvel.

Thanks!  ;)  And part of the appeal of those two titles to me is that they seem to stand alone, so I shouldn't be too confused when I read.  I cannot resist sword and sorcery, or FRANKENSTEIN.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 19, 2015, 08:31:15 pm
I just hope they put punisher back to being punisher and not some wanna be solo. Gawds i miss frank just being a justice seeking vigilante.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on May 19, 2015, 09:25:14 pm
The best PUNISHER stories are usually pretty simple.  They should be.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 23, 2015, 05:44:13 am
I just hope they put punisher back to being punisher and not some wanna be solo. Gawds i miss frank just being a justice seeking vigilante.

The current title is the best it's been since Ennis was writing it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 23, 2015, 07:54:18 am
I just hope they put punisher back to being punisher and not some wanna be solo. Gawds i miss frank just being a justice seeking vigilante.

The current title is the best it's been since Ennis was writing it.

The writing is decent but that sketch-esque type artwork that was being done i am not a fan of...but it may have changed since i last read which was issue 7. Plus im waiting for battleworld to end to see how they screw up frank.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 23, 2015, 01:38:08 pm
Mitch Gerards is the artist you're referring to.  I dig him, but if the loose style isn't for you it didn't change.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 23, 2015, 02:13:50 pm
Mitch Gerards is the artist you're referring to.  I dig him, but if the loose style isn't for you it didn't change.
Bollox! Well i may just wait for collected editions....cheaper in the long run than paying 4 plus bucks an issue. I gotta be able to cook and need milk.  ;D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on May 24, 2015, 09:07:11 am
I really enjoyed the recent Punisher series and it's a shame it came to an end. I liked the realism with a splash of superhero/sci fi that they used with the weapons and equipment. You could tell that the writer and artist did there homework. I believe the same team did the recent black widow series that was pretty good.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 24, 2015, 04:13:22 pm
I really enjoyed the recent Punisher series and it's a shame it came to an end. I liked the realism with a splash of superhero/sci fi that they used with the weapons and equipment. You could tell that the writer and artist did there homework. I believe the same team did the recent black widow series that was pretty good.

I even enjoyed the whole Frankencastle thing. Sure, it's not my preference, but I knew it wasn't "my" Punisher.

BTW - I read "A-Force #1" and I doubt I'll be back for #2.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 24, 2015, 04:25:42 pm
I really enjoyed the recent Punisher series and it's a shame it came to an end. I liked the realism with a splash of superhero/sci fi that they used with the weapons and equipment. You could tell that the writer and artist did there homework. I believe the same team did the recent black widow series that was pretty good.

I even enjoyed the whole Frankencastle thing. Sure, it's not my preference, but I knew it wasn't "my" Punisher.

BTW - I read "A-Force #1" and I doubt I'll be back for #2.
Ditto. I really wanted to like it cause i love she hulk ( i miss her sensational series) and gawds was that short lived now series the most utterly, craptastic whos kindergartner drew that shit, worst thing since greedo shooting first i just wasnt diggin it. Give shulk her own series with artwork akin to sensational series or something that isnt panle fuckin picaso stylized artistry.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on May 24, 2015, 10:31:08 pm
I intended to buy T&A-Force #1, but after flipping through it, back on the shelf it went.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 25, 2015, 07:15:45 am
Master of Kung-Fu wasn't much chop either.....unfortunately


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 26, 2015, 05:08:26 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/26/marvel-withdraws-x-men-and-fantastic-four-license-from-xm-studios-in-mid-sculpt/

I believe Ike has lost it...


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 26, 2015, 05:31:11 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/26/marvel-withdraws-x-men-and-fantastic-four-license-from-xm-studios-in-mid-sculpt/

I believe Ike has lost it...

I'd agree but with what fox has done to not fantastic four it wasnt hard to see this comin'.  I can't say I am suprised. I am shocked disney/marvel hasnt outright killed the comics to it though like they did with ff. I think after the impending bomb that is not ff movie comin they may get them back but with deadpool on its way marvel will be hardpressed to get the x-franchise back for at least 7 years.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 28, 2015, 07:58:52 am
I've tried two Marvel comics in the last two weeks and I'm 0/2.  Planet Hulk and Where Monsters Dwell.  Great art, not much story.  Future Imperfect up next week so I'll try again.  ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on May 28, 2015, 08:29:49 am
I've tried two Marvel comics in the last two weeks and I'm 0/2.  Planet Hulk and Where Monsters Dwell.  Great art, not much story.  Future Imperfect up next week so I'll try again.  ;)

Yah.... Its not been good for the big 2. Seems indie stuff is kickin marvel/ dc's ass like they were a redheaded step child!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on May 28, 2015, 08:52:23 am
I intended to buy T&A-Force #1, but after flipping through it, back on the shelf it went.

It's already on my pull list, so I'm stuck with the first few issues. The art looked good in the preview, so that may be enough to satisfy me -- unless the story is gawdawful. 

I agree that the choice of artist on She-Hulk set that series up for failure -- the same way Guardians 3000 is not winning any fans with the bizarre choice of artist.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on May 28, 2015, 08:58:24 am
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/26/marvel-withdraws-x-men-and-fantastic-four-license-from-xm-studios-in-mid-sculpt/

I believe Ike has lost it...

I'd agree but with what fox has done to not fantastic four it wasnt hard to see this comin'.  I can't say I am suprised. I am shocked disney/marvel hasnt outright killed the comics to it though like they did with ff. I think after the impending bomb that is not ff movie comin they may get them back but with deadpool on its way marvel will be hardpressed to get the x-franchise back for at least 7 years.

Disney is really foolish/clueless if they think merchandising has any effect on box office. Now, I could see them poo pooing movie-specific junk, but they are only hurting the fans (and themselves) with this bullshit decision-making. Maybe shareholders need to be made aware of these bizarre choices.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 28, 2015, 09:06:28 am
Thing is, Marvel is only a piece of the Disney pie.  As a conglomerate, Disney stock price is good and divedends are steady. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 28, 2015, 07:02:45 pm
Thing is, Marvel is only a piece of the Disney pie.  As a conglomerate, Disney stock price is good and divedends are steady. 

Yup, Avengers are a brand now. If the dirty masses are familiar with a particular version of the Avengers thanks to Hollywood, why wouldn't you tell every branch of the tree to match that version. Comics used to be the leader and every other avenue followed, now they're the redneck cousin that has to tow the line.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 31, 2015, 01:36:15 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/31/secret-wars-4-slips-two-weeks-takes-other-crossover-series-with-it/

This makes me sad.  I'm ready to hurry up and get to the other side, but with the main book slipping that will lead to delays or multi-art team jams.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 01, 2015, 10:53:13 am
I've about had it with Remender's Uncanny Avengers. What a bloated heap of crap. Could the Avengers be in worse hands these days?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 03, 2015, 05:11:08 am
I've about had it with Remender's Uncanny Avengers. What a bloated heap of crap. Could the Avengers be in worse hands these days?

Agreed. It's boring as fuck and waffles on going nowhere.

And something is going on behind the scenes because Rogue doesn't appear in any other x-books.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 03, 2015, 06:20:38 am
I've about had it with Remender's Uncanny Avengers. What a bloated heap of crap. Could the Avengers be in worse hands these days?

Agreed. It's boring as fuck and waffles on going nowhere.

And something is going on behind the scenes because Rogue doesn't appear in any other x-books.
Maybe she gave a handy to the invisible man and now cant uncloak?  [whistle]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on June 03, 2015, 02:46:22 pm
What is the point of these comics coming out with blank white covers (other than the title)? What kind of variant is that? The 90's were ridiculous with cover variants (foil, hologram, lenticular, etc) but at least they put some effort into them. I just don't get the appeal of a blank cover.  ???


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 03, 2015, 03:41:30 pm
What is the point of these comics coming out with blank white covers (other than the title)? What kind of variant is that? The 90's were ridiculous with cover variants (foil, hologram, lenticular, etc) but at least they put some effort into them. I just don't get the appeal of a blank cover.  ???

They are supposed to be for artists and such aurographs....i think.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 03, 2015, 05:21:01 pm
What is the point of these comics coming out with blank white covers (other than the title)? What kind of variant is that? The 90's were ridiculous with cover variants (foil, hologram, lenticular, etc) but at least they put some effort into them. I just don't get the appeal of a blank cover.  ???

They are supposed to be for artists and such aurographs....i think.

Yup, take 'em to a convention and get an artist who has never worked on the title to sketch on it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on June 03, 2015, 05:36:04 pm
Well that's stupid.  [thumbs down]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 03, 2015, 08:28:09 pm
Bought the first issue of Future Imperfect today and I've gotta say I expected more from Peter David and Greg Land.  :-\


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 03, 2015, 08:45:53 pm
Bought the first issue of Future Imperfect today and I've gotta say I expected more from Peter David and Greg Land.  :-\

I've little to no enthusiasm for any of them really. They could've just titles this whole event "Elseworlds Month".


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 04, 2015, 06:36:40 am
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/04/a-new-hulk-and-spider-man-as-marvel-starts-everything-from-a-new-1-from-september-with-55-60-new-titles/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 04, 2015, 06:44:54 am
It's a sad day to be a comic reader of the big two.

Several of my good friends were comic readers and it was a passion we shared for two decades. I'm now the last man standing and I have to confess my legs are wobbly.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 04, 2015, 07:10:27 am
And sadly, I think that's at least part of the point for the majors...to bring in new readers, likely at the expense of the old readers.  Acceptable losses.  To them anyway.  Oddly enough, I've read more Marvel comics in the last month than I have in years.  Literally.  I may buy as many as five Marvel titles next week.  I'm kinda shocked myself. 

DC is a wreck, but at least they have all their shit in one sack.  Marvel has many sacks of shit lying around.  This whole movie deal is amazing in how fucked up it is just below the surface.  And how it's impacting the comics as well as merchandise. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 04, 2015, 09:59:28 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/04/does-all-new-marvel-teaser-confirm-3-bleeding-cool-rumours/

Another teaser.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 05, 2015, 09:05:40 am
Ugh, it seems like Marvel has to get ahead of itself in order to boost orders from comic shop owners. Secret Wars has barely started and they are already pimping the next big thing. It makes you feel like the current big thing doesn't matter. Anyhow, I'm trying out some random Marvel titles this week, I figure there had to be some quality stuff hidden under all the hype. Maybe.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 05, 2015, 10:03:05 am
I'm on the verge of dropping everything that hasn't already been cancelled by Marvel. I'll stay with All New Captain America (the best work I've read from Remender) as long as Stuart Immomen is on it -- which won't be much longer. I could accept the new Spider-Woman outfit, but this  new take on the character really hasn't impressed me to date. I'll give it a couple more issues before I make a final decision. I'm assuming Uncanny Avengers will be over after Secret Wars, and I'm happy about it. Money saved will go toward collections.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 05, 2015, 11:02:46 am
Color me ever picking up another marvel title only if ben reilly scarlett spider ever gets a series again. They shitcanned 2099 and punisher so marvel can suck a big fat one. No intrest in morales spidey or spider gwen. I would get regular spider but i give it 8 issues before hes done and morales is only spider character....whom i tried to like when he started but just could not like him.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 05, 2015, 11:07:49 am
Punisher was surprisingly great. I'm really sorry to see it go. It would be great if they let Edmonson write it again post secret wars.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 05, 2015, 05:12:56 pm
I was going to write this long impassioned post about how hard done by I am as a long time collector and how self entitled I get to be. But instead I'll see if I can find an image that sums up my feelings for what Marvel and DC are doing.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 05, 2015, 05:16:05 pm
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/fishmilkshake/WinFail/funny-gif-Nyan-Cat-dog-itchy_zps1b1cissv.gif) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/fishmilkshake/media/WinFail/funny-gif-Nyan-Cat-dog-itchy_zps1b1cissv.gif.html)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 05, 2015, 05:16:35 pm
I was going to write this long impassioned post about how hard done by I am as a long time collector and how self entitled I get to be. But instead I'll see if I can find an image that sums up my feelings for what Marvel and DC are doing.

I saw that image....it was a bear takin a dump in the woods. ;)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/fishmilkshake/WinFail/funny-gif-Nyan-Cat-dog-itchy_zps1b1cissv.gif) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/fishmilkshake/media/WinFail/funny-gif-Nyan-Cat-dog-itchy_zps1b1cissv.gif.html)
This is close though haha

Fish you gotta stop feeding your dog ridalin laced skittles!  :P


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 05, 2015, 05:24:13 pm
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/fishmilkshake/WinFail/funny-gif-Nyan-Cat-dog-itchy_zps1b1cissv.gif) (http://s49.photobucket.com/user/fishmilkshake/media/WinFail/funny-gif-Nyan-Cat-dog-itchy_zps1b1cissv.gif.html)

Rainbow skidmark.  'Bout sums it up.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 05, 2015, 06:28:49 pm
I'm not excited about how exact of a replica this is from recent DC moves.  Big relaunch, jump forward in time, change who is in what costume, etc.

Much like I did with DC though, I'll try out a bunch of the titles (most likely) and then narrow it down to whatever is still quality.  With DC I ended up with zero after about a year and a half.  I'm crossing my fingers that this will go more favorably.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on June 05, 2015, 08:11:03 pm
  I'm crossing my fingers that this will go more favorably.

You may want to cross several fingers, toes, and your eyes if possible. You're going to need as much luck as possible.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 05, 2015, 08:16:23 pm
  I'm crossing my fingers that this will go more favorably.

You may want to cross several fingers, toes, and your eyes if possible. You're going to need as much luck as possible.
You ain't just whistlin' dixie!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 06, 2015, 09:10:36 am
http://www.newsarama.com/24752-marvel-reassembled-brevoort-calls-all-new-all-different-once-in-a-75-year-lifetime-situation.html

The next 50-75 years? 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 06, 2015, 09:17:16 am
I'm not excited about how exact of a replica this is from recent DC moves.  Big relaunch, jump forward in time, change who is in what costume, etc.

Much like I did with DC though, I'll try out a bunch of the titles (most likely) and then narrow it down to whatever is still quality.  With DC I ended up with zero after about a year and a half.  I'm crossing my fingers that this will go more favorably.

DC has rebooted seven times in 30 years.  Four of those have been under the DiDio regime.  It's almost like a comfy old shoe to me.  Marvel doing it makes me question why?  But if they are doing it and it's going to stick, this would be a good place to remove historical reference points from the MU to help the continuity flow.

As to the why, I think I know why DC does it so often.  So why is Marvel doing it?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 06, 2015, 10:06:09 am
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/06/will-it-be-iron-man-the-brian-bendis-panel-starts-at-nyc-special-edition/

So here's why Iron Man is front and center in both of those teasers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 06, 2015, 06:02:07 pm
Well, hopefully that means he's also writing something else that I won't be interested in like Capt Marvel.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 08, 2015, 03:14:30 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/08/more-on-secret-wars-lateness/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 08, 2015, 03:35:31 pm
Sweet zombie jesus! Marvel is really turning into a giant clusterfuck with this secret wars biz. First the whole premise of instead of just ending the ultimate verse and not trying to do some dumb combining thing and now this lateness of getting books out.....way to shoot your foot marvel.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 09, 2015, 02:00:39 pm
Quote
Kieron Gillen’s run on Iron Man revealed that Tony is adopted so this new volume will address his biological parents.

WTF? I recall that Tony was always drawn to be the spitting image of his father. The only way this would make sense is that Howard got some bimbo pregnant outside of his marriage -- and then Maria agreed to adopt him. But -- is this really necessary? Short answer: No.

Marvel, you changed. We are no longer friends.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 09, 2015, 02:16:18 pm
Mark Waid on a new Black Widow series? http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/mark-waid-to-write-new-black-widow-series-for-marvel/

Well, that may be my lone Marvel title in the relaunch. I've been reading Edmonson/Noto's series. But despite it being a well-produced series, it hasn't had a lot of what I'd call fun moments. Give me a bit more classic (some would say cheesy) James Bond moments.

Would love to see Deodato on it. He's wasted on Hickman Avengers stuff, IMHO.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 10, 2015, 06:52:11 pm
I was considering five Marvel books this week and ended up with just one after flipping through them. 

And it was pretty good.  Weirdworld.  Story centered around Akron. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkon 
Warlord from an extra-dimensional world.  As a big fan of this type of D list character, I found the story to be lots of fun.  A guy whose been around for 45 years finally gets his own book.  He's been a villain, an anti-hero, and occasionally, a hero.  Married at one point to Thundra, the guy (and the book) got potential.  I'll try it 'til Secret Wars concludes.     


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on June 10, 2015, 07:11:41 pm
I didn't make it in to the comic shop today, but I will be sure to check out Weirdworld when I do.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 11, 2015, 12:37:57 pm
I'm also interested in Weirdworld. If there is a copy available when I visit again -- I'll pick it up.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on June 13, 2015, 10:43:32 am
Checked out Weirdworld yesterday and left it on the shelf. The art just wasn't for me.  [thumbs down]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 13, 2015, 05:30:20 pm
For the first time in years I just couldn't be arsed going to the LCS. Sad.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on June 13, 2015, 05:49:37 pm
Yep. It's getting to be more and more of an effort to even try.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 13, 2015, 05:51:58 pm
For the first time in years I just couldn't be arsed going to the LCS. Sad.

Soo much is becoming disappointing. The only reason i even look at any lcs is for older toys anymore and maybe predator or alien comics.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on June 13, 2015, 06:08:10 pm
This coming week has a few books that will get me into the shop, but I'm mainly buying 70's and 80's back issues and collected editions now.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 13, 2015, 11:57:53 pm
....I'm mainly buying 70's and 80's back issues and collected editions now.

A lot of my back issue buying is collating funds together to try and get key issues. I think maybe it's time to start filling my gaps with those $1-5 issues.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Jase on June 14, 2015, 06:34:25 am
....I'm mainly buying 70's and 80's back issues and collected editions now.

A lot of my back issue buying is collating funds together to try and get key issues. I think maybe it's time to start filling my gaps with those $1-5 issues.

It was getting to the point where I'd get home with a bag full of $3-$5 new release titles and feel like it was a chore to "try and like them." I'm sick of that crap. What a waste! There are tons of 70's and 80's back issues that sell for the same price (or less even) that I will actually enjoy reading. I was primarily a DC kid, so there is a shit ton of Marvel to get acquainted with from those two decades.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 14, 2015, 04:09:21 pm
....I'm mainly buying 70's and 80's back issues and collected editions now.

A lot of my back issue buying is collating funds together to try and get key issues. I think maybe it's time to start filling my gaps with those $1-5 issues.

It was getting to the point where I'd get home with a bag full of $3-$5 new release titles and feel like it was a chore to "try and like them." I'm sick of that crap. What a waste! There are tons of 70's and 80's back issues that sell for the same price (or less even) that I will actually enjoy reading. I was primarily a DC kid, so there is a shit ton of Marvel to get acquainted with from those two decades.

80's Cap is fun. Anything during the Mike Zeck era. It was simple and well done. It's when Cap would go up against villains like the Scarecrow and Flag Smasher.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 15, 2015, 09:52:13 am
Despite my lukewarm feelings about Convergence, this Secret Wars stuff Marvel is peddling really isn't very exciting. Are fans really buying into it?

Have to say that one of the best reads I had in the last few weeks was Afterlife with Archie. I had only read the Sabrina issue previously, so had no idea what was going on with the rest of the gang (though it was revealed that Jughead was a zombie). Most of the iconic adults are gone with the exception of Mr. Lodge (Veronia's dad) and their butler. This series is obviously influenced by The Walking Dead, but I'm enjoying the serious approach to the characters and the peeling back of the layers.

On the other hand, I dropped Spider-Woman. The new direction and art just aren't for me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 25, 2015, 01:52:17 pm
All-New Squadron Sinister Supreme series by Robinson and Kirk. Members pulled from various universes -- including DP7 Blur and Thundra. Could be my one Marvel pull this Fall.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-announces-squadron-supreme-from-robinson-kirk


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 25, 2015, 07:17:19 pm
So once again Marvel are pimping their post-event books before the event is even finished.
It's pretty obvious now that events are simply money spinners, there's no inherent need to tell a good story.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 25, 2015, 08:03:26 pm
It's pretty obvious now that events are simply money spinners, there's no inherent need to tell a good story.

Coulda told ya that when they did civil war.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on June 25, 2015, 10:15:13 pm
So once again Marvel are pimping their post-event books before the event is even finished.

So, so true.  :-\   Never mind how it ends, folks!  Look over here at this new title!

In any event, the new SQUADRON SUPREME title looks a bit interesting to me.  But I've been saying that about various MARVEL titles for years now, yet ended up buying none of them.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 28, 2015, 03:28:50 pm
Checked out Weirdworld yesterday and left it on the shelf. The art just wasn't for me.  [thumbs down]

I thought the art worked pretty well with the theme of the story. Admittedly, it's a very stylized approach, but at least it doesn't have that indy look of books like Black Canary.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 28, 2015, 04:08:56 pm
Silver Surfer and Moon Knight were both excellent.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 28, 2015, 04:55:25 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/28/60-confirmed-expected-rumoured-and-assumed-marvel-titles/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 28, 2015, 05:14:44 pm
How the FUCK does Goddamn SQUIREL GIRL get a solo book but Spidey 2099 doesnt! Marvel you are on meth!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 30, 2015, 04:41:44 am
Werewolf By Night is a pleasant surprise and I'll be cautiously optimistic.

I know the list is guesswork, but the biggest disappointment I can see is the lack of Moon Knight which is currently, IMO, Marvel's best book.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 30, 2015, 06:57:16 am
Keep an eye on Bleeding Cool today for an official list of new October titles.  Mr. Johnson is apparently compiling it after all of yesterdays twitter announcements.  I'll be out for a day or so and I don't know how to post a link from my iPhone.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 30, 2015, 12:27:08 pm
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/massive-marvel-preview-leaks-all-new-all-different-lineup

Some of these concepts wouldn't be bad -- but the creative attached is hit or miss. I'm definitely down for Squadron Supreme. I'll give Waid's Avengers and the new Dr. Strange a shot. I'll judge everything else (though there is little that interests me) when it's on the shelf.

With Acuna on the new Captain America title, I can finally take Uncanny Avengers off of my list (Squirrel Girl, indeed). That series has been a train wreck, and doesn't look like it will improve with Sandoval on art (the guy who ruined Guardians 3000).

Curious about the Scarlet Witch title, but that new outfit looks too Asgardian too me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 30, 2015, 02:18:28 pm
At least peter parker spider man has his own book....i can avoid the wretched drek that is morales....just wish theyd take slutt i mean slott off that book.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 30, 2015, 03:30:00 pm
When the hell did star lord become a chick? Does that mean kitty is gonna be a lesbian now....fuuuuuuccck!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 30, 2015, 04:26:16 pm
I'm down for a bunch of those - at least for initial pulls.  We'll see how I'm doing 6, 12, and 18 months in.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Harbinger on June 30, 2015, 05:00:48 pm
Ill read parker spidey but gawds i hope they dont stark him out.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 30, 2015, 05:29:06 pm
I'm down for a bunch of those - at least for initial pulls.  We'll see how I'm doing 6, 12, and 18 months in.

Overall, I find these offerings less exciting than what DC did with Nu52. DC probably would have done better had they not thrown away past continuity -- and just tweaked it as needed. That said -- I don't know what the continuity will be for All-New Marvel. Pregnant Spider-Woman (if she is really pregos) isn't something I need to see.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: RockoJerome on June 30, 2015, 08:22:54 pm
None of these ideas are interesting to me.

Guess I'll save some bread.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 30, 2015, 08:37:04 pm
I'm sad that nothing on the list has me going "WOW!"

For the first time in decades I won't be reading an Avengers title. "Uncanny Avengers" doesn't count and I'm only reading it because Rogue is in it.
Carnage and Karnak are disappointing because I love Gerry Conway and Warren Ellis respectively, but the characters do nothing for me.

I think Laura is an interesting character and has gone from a joke to being one of Marvel's better new characters so I'll check out the new Wolverine.
None of the X-Men titles blow me away, but I'll try Uncanny and Extraordinary.

A number of these titles have me shaking my head, such as Howard The duck and Angela, but there's an absence (so far) of Silver Surfer, Moon Knight and The Punisher which are IMO three of Marvel's best titles.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 30, 2015, 08:39:12 pm
None of these ideas are interesting to me.

Guess I'll save some bread.

I hear you.

The fact that every Guardians character has their own book shows that the Marvel Cinematic Overlords aren't far away.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 14, 2015, 05:56:38 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/25221-marvel-comics-october-2015-solicitations.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on July 16, 2015, 09:28:19 pm
 :-\   I feel 100% disconnected from pretty much all the MARVEL Universe at this time.  DC, too.  I have zero interest in anything from them.  I'm glad there's DYNAMITE, IMAGE, DARK HORSE, and IDW.  Hell....even ARCHIE and BONGO.

YMMV.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 27, 2015, 10:11:20 am
Stuart Immomen may be my current favorite artist. I'm not really into Star Wars comics, but this is tempting...

http://www.newsarama.com/25341-first-look-stuart-immonen-joins-star-wars-8.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 27, 2015, 10:54:45 pm
Stuart Immomen may be my current favorite artist. I'm not really into Star Wars comics, but this is tempting...

http://www.newsarama.com/25341-first-look-stuart-immonen-joins-star-wars-8.html


Start Wars and Darth Vader have both been excellent reads.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 30, 2015, 01:04:37 pm
Another Hercules series dropping. I'll give it a try -- also preferred Herc to Thor.

http://www.newsarama.com/25382-hercules-returns-in-new-all-new-all-different-series.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 30, 2015, 07:06:11 pm
I'm going to miss the humor-specific angle of the last series, but I'll definitely give this one a try.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on August 01, 2015, 01:26:21 am
They had me at Dan Abnett


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on August 03, 2015, 09:49:54 am
Always up for more Dane Whitman, but this redesign. Hells No!  O0

The uniform further down the page owes more to the classic look -- and make him look like a knight. This new one is too techy -- spaceknight.

http://www.newsarama.com/25407-black-knight-returns-in-all-new-all-different-marvel-series.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on August 03, 2015, 05:35:30 pm
Ugggh....I could possible work with it until I saw the sword over the back. Looks cool to "teh" masses, but it's a dumb concept.

Read my two fave Marvel titles last night, Moon Knight and Silver Surfer.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: eddie3429 on August 03, 2015, 07:49:24 pm
Ugggh....I could possible work with it until I saw the sword over the back. Looks cool to "teh" masses, but it's a dumb concept.

Read my two fave Marvel titles last night, Moon Knight and Silver Surfer.

I'm so behind on each

My new fav title is SW : 1872 ... so many easters eggs


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on August 03, 2015, 08:13:23 pm
They lost me at Tieri.  He's probably a nice guy, I just haven't been impressed with anything he did in the past - including the Black Knight Original Sin short where Dane was struggling to overcome the sword and losing.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on August 13, 2015, 05:34:04 pm
If even half of this is true then it sounds like Stan's daughter is a privileged brat.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/stan-lees-ex-assistant-files-lawsuit-claims-verbal-abuse-wrongful-firing?utm_campaign=stan-lees-ex-assistant-files-lawsuit-claims-verbal-abuse-wrongfu&utm_medium=email&utm_source=breaking_bulletin


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on August 23, 2015, 03:44:55 pm
So I emailed my LCS with my new pull list. I dropped Spider-Woman -- even before the pregnancy thing was announced. I mean, I get that Disney is all about diversity, but this direction takes niche marketing to an all-new level. I don't think they get this character at all. Then again, Bendis claimed to love her and did jack shit with her.

I really hope that Squadron Supreme lives up to my expectations. Leonard Kirk is really at the top of his game -- and maybe this will be the series where he finally finds some acclaim.

For  now, no Avengers of X-Men books are on my list.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 10, 2015, 11:57:05 am
So Hellcat is getting an ongoing.

http://www.newsarama.com/25820-hellcat-returns-in-new-ongoing-series.html

Things I like:

  • The character
  • Classic costume -- actually very classic -- going back to the Avengers look with the more catlike cowl and boots
  • The variant cover by George Perez -- would love to have seen him on this -- instead of his Sirens series -- which was a disappointment
  • The artist seems competent

But I hope this doesn't go overboard silly like her last mini-series did.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 12, 2015, 06:23:31 pm
So Hellcat is getting an ongoing.

http://www.newsarama.com/25820-hellcat-returns-in-new-ongoing-series.html

Things I like:

  • The character
  • Classic costume -- actually very classic -- going back to the Avengers look with the more catlike cowl and boots
  • The variant cover by George Perez -- would love to have seen him on this -- instead of his Sirens series -- which was a disappointment
  • The artist seems competent

But I hope this doesn't go overboard silly like her last mini-series did.

I don't get it? Why does she look like she always did? Why isn't she a transgender Asian? Where's her hip leather jacket and boots? Is this a Marvel title?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 24, 2015, 07:08:05 pm
Hooray! Silver Surfer is back with the same team. Happy happy joy joy

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/slott-allreds-silver-surfer-to-return-lemire-smallwood-join-moon-knight?utm_campaign=slott-allreds-silver-surfer-to-return-lemire-smallwood-join-moon&utm_medium=email&utm_source=breaking_bulletin


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on September 25, 2015, 03:56:06 am
Hooray! Silver Surfer is back with the same team. Happy happy joy joy

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/slott-allreds-silver-surfer-to-return-lemire-smallwood-join-moon-knight?utm_campaign=slott-allreds-silver-surfer-to-return-lemire-smallwood-join-moon&utm_medium=email&utm_source=breaking_bulletin
That's good news. I am also happy to see Moon Knight is getting another title. However, I think I will be taking a break from Marvel Comics when I get home. I am going to wait and see how everything settles down after the big shake up and then jump back on the train. In the mean time there are plenty of back issues I've never read.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 25, 2015, 07:32:19 am
I'm more interested in these second and third-tier books than I am in Avengers/X-Men related stuff. Jim Starlin is writing a new Adam Warlock mini graphic novel -- Infinity something or other. Alan Davis is on art, so I'm in.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 25, 2015, 07:50:30 am
Ya know it's bad at DC when I'm considering some of the new Marvel titles.  Hercules (now that we know he's not switch hitting), and Black Knight (set on Weird World).  Along with the Weird World ongoing title.   


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 25, 2015, 09:17:03 am
Hercules (now that we know he's not switch hitting), and Black Knight (set on Weird World). 

I haven't been following that train of thought where Herc is bi. I mean, I can certainly see where he could have been in Greek mythology, but never saw any evidence of it in the comics.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 25, 2015, 09:42:52 am
I just hate the "everything you knew is wrong" lazy bullshit writing.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 25, 2015, 09:51:06 am
And I'm no expert on Greek Mythology, but as far as I can tell, Herc wasn't bi there either.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 25, 2015, 11:31:33 am
Story at Bleedingcool that has Master of Kung Fu returning next year in four omnibus editions.  Must have cleaned up the Fu Manchu rights.  Can't link from my iPhone so someone can't link it for me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 25, 2015, 12:13:05 pm
And I'm no expert on Greek Mythology, but as far as I can tell, Herc wasn't bi there either.

I think people are reading between the lines -- being that he always had a young male companion -- and was away from women for long periods of time (on quests).  He's just a character in the public domain -- so any sexuality can be applied to him, but I see no need to go down that path.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 25, 2015, 12:14:37 pm

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Story at Bleedingcool that has Master of Kung Fu returning next year in four omnibus editions.  Must have cleaned up the Fu Manchu rights. 

Happy about the content -- but not the format. Why do people like these unwieldy collections?! Do they really need encyclopedia-sized books on their shelves?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 26, 2015, 04:48:58 pm

Story at Bleedingcool that has Master of Kung Fu returning next year in four omnibus editions.  Must have cleaned up the Fu Manchu rights. 

Happy about the content -- but not the format. Why do people like these unwieldy collections?! Do they really need encyclopedia-sized books on their shelves?
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Agreed. I've got all the originals so this is a non event to me. But I would like to see him turn up regularly again like he did in Avengers.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 05, 2015, 06:36:40 am
So another ongoing for Waid -- as previously leaked -- Black Widow.

I'm not crazy about Samnee on art, but I'll give this a try. 'Old school spy' is much more my thing than the previous series -- which got so dry that I have yet to read the final 2-3 issues.

http://www.newsarama.com/26132-new-black-widow-ongoing-by-waid-samnee.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 05, 2015, 06:38:54 am
So another ongoing for Waid -- as previously leaked -- Black Widow.

I'm not crazy about Samnee on art, but I'll give this a try. 'Old school spy' is much more my thing than the previous series -- which got so dry that I have yet to read the final 2-3 issues.

http://www.newsarama.com/26132-new-black-widow-ongoing-by-waid-samnee.html

I've always found Waid to be a consistently good writer.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 15, 2015, 06:40:13 pm
I'm off and running in the new Marvel Universe and it hasn't started with a bang for me.

Uncanny Avengers #1 - Duggan & Stegman.
Ugggh....how this won't be a trainwreck is beyond me. I was dubious about the team when it was announced and inside the covers it's worse. Old Man Cap leading a team that's apparently meant to be even more diverse now, which is an excuse to add Deadpool and an Inhuman named 'Synapse'. There's Johnny from FF, Rogue from the X-Men, Quicksilver from The Avengers and some ring-ins like Brother Voodoo.

The hardest part for me is the horrible characterisation of Rogue. She was doing well when she headlined X-Men: Legacy, but since Uncanny Avengers launched her treatment has been ordinary. In this issue she resents Synapse because she's an Inhuman and they're apparently the cause of all the misery happening to mutants. So despite Rogue spending years trying to put her criminal activities behind her and be respected as a hero and let's not forget Marvel shoving the "Mutants are feared and loathed" down our throats for 30 years....she's still hasn't learned about compassion or what bigotry means.

Stegman's art is.....odd. He draws better than I do, but it's really not suited here at all. The way he draws weird spaghetti arms and his faces are bizarre. Not feeling this book at all.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 16, 2015, 12:03:54 am
I read Chewbacca by Duggan and Phil Noto. Despite not liking Duggan's other book, Chewbacca was a win. Loved the simple story and Noto's art was spot on. Keen for issue #2.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 16, 2015, 08:41:13 am

Uncanny Avengers #1 - Duggan & Stegman.
Ugggh....how this won't be a trainwreck is beyond me. I was dubious about the team when it was announced and inside the covers it's worse. Old Man Cap leading a team that's apparently meant to be even more diverse now, which is an excuse to add Deadpool and an Inhuman named 'Synapse'. There's Johnny from FF, Rogue from the X-Men, Quicksilver from The Avengers and some ring-ins like Brother Voodoo.

The hardest part for me is the horrible characterisation of Rogue...

Stegman's art is.....odd. He draws better than I do, but it's really not suited here at all. The way he draws weird spaghetti arms and his faces are bizarre. Not feeling this book at all.

I mostly read the previous two volumes (ridiculous!) mostly for the lineup and art. Since neither of these impress me with volume 3, the book is off my list. Rogue wasn't a very likeable character under Remender either.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on October 16, 2015, 11:46:52 am
I'm out of the loop, but is Secret Wars over yet?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 16, 2015, 11:59:36 am
I'm out of the loop, but is Secret Wars over yet?

Ending delayed until December.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 16, 2015, 04:54:52 pm
Rogue wasn't a very likeable character under Remender either.

She was great in X-Men: Legacy. Then they cancel it and we get the UA dreck.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 19, 2015, 07:54:27 am
Picked up issue 1 of Sam Wilson: Captain America. It was a good read -- though Sam has more of a  leftwing agenda than Steve had. Misty Knight is great as a supporting character/sparring partner/potential love interest.

Unfortunately, my LCS blundered --- and there was no first issue of Dr. Strange in my box!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 19, 2015, 12:25:29 pm
So Fox & Friends weighs in one SW: CA #1:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/fox-friends-slams-captain-america-sam-wilson-1


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 19, 2015, 03:43:31 pm
So Fox & Friends weighs in one SW: CA #1:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/fox-friends-slams-captain-america-sam-wilson-1


Yawn.

I'm sure that according to Fox the only person capable of being Captain America is Rupert Murdoch.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 19, 2015, 08:05:41 pm
I think it's bullshit.  Most Cap writers since Avengers #4 have played him as basically apolitical.  Liberals and conservatives could both claim him.  That's gone out the window now.  And I don't care that it's not Steve Rogers anymore.  The premise should remain.   


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 19, 2015, 09:20:48 pm
This just in:

Fox News is able to outrage Gardner Grayle!  More at 11.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 19, 2015, 09:38:41 pm
Que Hater with the outrage picture.  And just for the record, I'm outraged at Marvel too.  [slapfight]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 19, 2015, 09:46:16 pm
I haven't read the issue, nor the ensuing outrage so I can't speak to the specifics, but Cap has long been perceived as a "problem" in that he was an inherently right-leaning idea written by an unending string of leftist writers.  That is, until Ultimate Cap - when he leaned well into the right side... as written by a leftist British writer.  When I was a kid I thought it was awesome that he didn't kill or use guns.  Now that seems a bit silly.  Cap changes with the writer and the zeitgeist, but only just enough to momentarily peak interest.  Illusion of change and all that.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 19, 2015, 09:54:53 pm
I think Brubaker was able to pull it off convincingly. 

But Cap is a man out of time.  From an era when many Democrats were more conservative than many modern day Republicans.  Cap has been played down the middle since 1964.  Why change that now?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 20, 2015, 08:26:34 am
I think it does work with Sam though. He doesn't have a military background (unless that was changed). But we'll see what Steve has to say about it next issue (looks like it will be a heated discussion). I'm not sure, though, why Same needed the red, white and blue to change his agenda.

I will say that though I can empathize with the plight of the illegal aliens, I don't believe anyone should be entering this country illegally -- no matter what their skin color or ethnic background. I doubt that Spencer is stupid enough to compare everyone with that belief to the Sons of the Serpent. Hopefully, we'll see a more nuanced look at people on both sides.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 20, 2015, 08:33:12 am
My personal political leanings aside, I just don't like real world politics in comics.  The X-Men work well enough as a metaphor.  Leave it at that.  And I'd feel the same if Sam were kicking illegals out of the U.S. 

I also think this is a moot point too.  Do we really think Sam will still be Cap when the next movie hits?  Doubtful. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 20, 2015, 12:06:08 pm
My personal political leanings aside, I just don't like real world politics in comics.  The X-Men work well enough as a metaphor.  Leave it at that.  And I'd feel the same if Sam were kicking illegals out of the U.S. 

I also think this is a moot point too.  Do we really think Sam will still be Cap when the next movie hits?  Doubtful. 

I hope not. It's okay temporarily (though it's way too soon after Bucky Cap, IMHO), but I  prefer Sam as Falcon.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 20, 2015, 03:11:07 pm
Do we really think Sam will still be Cap when the next movie hits?  Doubtful. 

I hope not. It's okay temporarily (though it's way too soon after Bucky Cap, IMHO), but I  prefer Sam as Falcon.

Word!  [rock]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 24, 2015, 08:05:12 pm
Amazing Spider-Man #1 was.......odd.

Peter has essentially become a played down version of Tony Stark with his own successful tech company. Spidey is his "Bodyguard" and when they need to be seen in two places at once he's hired The Prowler to impersonate him. He's all about making people's lives better rather than becoming rich, etc. He has a SHIELD tie-in by supplying them with gadgets and his liaison is Mockingbird.

Dunno?  ??? I didn't dislike it, but it's certainly different. Will try a couple more issues and see how we go.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 24, 2015, 08:18:45 pm
I'm halfway interested in the upcoming Hyperion and Nighthawk books.  Announced this weekend in London.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 26, 2015, 09:59:56 am
I think the Spidey book will be interesting (I'll catch up later most likely) precisely because it's such an odd fit for Peter.  Success makes him a fish-out-of-water.  Great concept.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 26, 2015, 10:42:31 am
I'm halfway interested in the upcoming Hyperion and Nighthawk books.  Announced this weekend in London.

Interesting that both DC and Marvel will be publishing alternative Batman books (Midnighter and Nighthawk).


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 27, 2015, 07:05:08 am
Any thoughts on Dr. Strange #1?

For the most part, I enjoyed it. I think Bachalo is great storyteller and love his layouts. Yes, his work is very stylized, but not the degree of a Humberto Ramos. The colors were really great as well.

Regarding the story, there were bits I could do without. Strange being schooled by some old bartender. I mean, he's the friggin' sorcerer supreme and he was trained by the Ancient One. I know Aaraon is trying to show that there is a price to using magic -- but if true, this is something he would have learned long ago. Also not sure about Stephen being such a dog. Yeah, he's had relationships with a few women -- but he was never Tony Stark with magic. There is another bar for magicians -- similar to the one shown in Shadowpact -- though Bachalo and the colorist do a better job of bringing it to life, IMHO. The main plot was interesting enough to cointinue for a few more issues, at least.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 27, 2015, 09:54:35 am
Aaron's work on Thor has been nothing short of amazing, so I'm in for the long haul on Dr. Strange.  I think making him more of a ladies man is a response to the forthcoming movie, but it makes him more human/identifiable than the monk living alone with his books.

And yeah, Bachalo is amazing.  At one point his stuff was so complicated you couldn't pick out the main action in a panel (I'm thinking of his Steampunk series at Cliffhanger), but he's really learned to tone that down while keeping the amazing visuals.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 27, 2015, 03:59:47 pm
Steampunk was awful.....unreadable in fact.

Dr Strange was pretty decent.

I liked the idea of the magic users getting together once in a while to talk shop. Though a shame Daimon Hellstrom wasn't there as I think he's very under-utilised. I'll be back for ish #2. Oh, it was interesting to see a variation of the classic costume back too.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 27, 2015, 08:15:42 pm
Funny, I didn't even notice the costume reversion.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 02, 2015, 09:13:19 am
Well, I may no longer have a reason to support any X-Men or Avengers titles, but there are a few titles coming out that are worth discussing. I didn't collect Waid's Daredevil because I couldn't get past the Samnee art (so I'm skeptical about their Black Widow series). But I do like this preview for the new DD series, so I'm giving it a try. Haven't read the book since Brubaker left.

http://www.newsarama.com/26595-first-look-daredevil-1.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 02, 2015, 02:38:04 pm
I've read most of Waid's DD run at this point.  It was a high point.  Highly recommended.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on November 04, 2015, 08:23:36 pm
Hercules #1.   [thumbs up]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 05, 2015, 02:46:55 am
Extraordinary X-Men #1

The Bachalo art was nice. Felt less cartoony than in the past. It's not the team i'd like to see, but there's plenty of folks I like.
However, we kick things off by being reminded of how humans see mutants only now they hate mutants more than ever. Not exactly refreshing. Would have been nice to see something new.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 05, 2015, 02:50:21 am
Uncanny X-Men #600

This used to be my flagship title. Month after month, year after year. How I miss thee.

Thank fuck Bendis is finally gone. Complete yawn and unsatisfying. The gay Iceman thing feels very awkward and forced.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on November 05, 2015, 03:57:19 am
My experience is the exact opposite.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 05, 2015, 08:00:04 am
I'm not a fan of Iceman being gay, but I can see where others feel differently. Personally, I don't feel he was ever meant to be gay -- so this latest development does seem forced on the character.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on November 05, 2015, 06:02:19 pm
Vision #1.   [thumbs down]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 05, 2015, 06:46:56 pm
Agree that Hercules #1 was good stuff. Should have had faith in Dan Abnett from the get-go.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: B-Lister on November 11, 2015, 02:09:14 am
I'm not a fan of Iceman being gay, but I can see where others feel differently. Personally, I don't feel he was ever meant to be gay -- so this latest development does seem forced on the character.

Seth McFarlane saw it a decade ago. To be honest, Bobby living in the closet and dating women hits really close to home for me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 12, 2015, 09:58:44 am
I can understand that, but I don't think that was ever the intention -- despite what Seth MaFarlane thinks.

Part of my problem with it is that Bobby is a mutant -- and mutants are hated (wasn't really the case in the Bronze Age). So if he's out as a mutant -- why why was coming out as being gay so difficult for him? Is Marvel saying it's more difficult to be gay than be a mutant in the Marvel universe? Yes, it could be argued that it was another layer on top of being a mutant and that was difficult enough, but it just doesn't wash with me. It's too late in the game for him for me not to take this development as anything but inorganic to the character. Had they made him bi, would be a bit more believable.  I mean -- he's not just some guy living an average life, he's been in a lot of life and death situations. At some point, I feel his being gay should have come out before. But he wasn't -- until Bendis made him gay.



 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 12, 2015, 02:19:37 pm
I can understand that, but I don't think that was ever the intention -- despite what Seth MaFarlane thinks.

Part of my problem with it is that Bobby is a mutant -- and mutants are hated (wasn't really the case in the Bronze Age). So if he's out as a mutant -- why why was coming out as being gay so difficult for him? Is Marvel saying it's more difficult to be gay than be a mutant in the Marvel universe? Yes, it could be argued that it was another layer on top of being a mutant and that was difficult enough, but it just doesn't wash with me. It's too late in the game for him for me not to take this development as anything but inorganic to the character. Had they made him bi, would be a bit more believable.  I mean -- he's not just some guy living an average life, he's been in a lot of life and death situations. At some point, I feel his being gay should have come out before. But he wasn't -- until Bendis made him gay.
 

I thought they were doing a great job with Northstar and his relationship in X-Men: Legacy, but obviously Bendis needed to Bendis something before leaving.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on November 17, 2015, 10:31:38 pm
Feb solicits:

http://www.newsarama.com/26821-marvel-comics-february-2016-solicitations.html

At the very least Marvel is taking risks with it's 2nd stringers.  Scarlet Witch, Vision, Hercules, Black Knight, Squadron Supreme, Weirdworld.  I'm impressed. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 19, 2015, 12:23:33 am
At the very least Marvel is taking risks with it's 2nd stringers.  Scarlet Witch, Vision, Hercules, Black Knight, Squadron Supreme, Weirdworld.  I'm impressed. 

I'm not.

Anything with an ensemble cast is a steaming pile of shit. Uncanny Avengers is wretched at best.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 19, 2015, 05:31:25 pm
I have high hopes for Squadron Supreme. I know that Robinson hasn't done anything great since Starman, but this could be the ideal project for him. We'll soon see.

I should want to buy a Scarlet Witch series, but I don't think Robinson will get that one right. I don't think this will read like the Wanda I know, but I'll probably give it a try. I do like, though, that the second stringers are getting series.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 19, 2015, 08:41:07 pm
The Scarlet Witch series will be stand alone stories with rotating artists each issue.  Almost novel these days.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on November 20, 2015, 07:19:19 am
I may try a few more Marvels before the end of the year.  Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, Weirdworld (ongoing), Red Wolf, Squadron Supreme, maybe a couple more. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 20, 2015, 01:50:01 pm
I broke down and bought all the issues of Uncanny and New Avengers so far.  New Avengers is balls to the wall fun.  Gerardo Sandoval was a bad fit for the classic Guardians, but he does well with the newer generation here.

Uncanny is pretty good as well, but the aforementioned spaghetti arms and legs are an odd stylistic choice from Ryan Stegman.  The meta-message about Deadpool financing the team was pretty brilliant.  I can see why people would want a different attitude out of Rogue, but they do a pretty good job of explaining her lack of PR skills and the shit she's going through.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 20, 2015, 09:02:16 pm
Uncanny is pretty good as well, but the aforementioned spaghetti arms and legs are an odd stylistic choice from Ryan Stegman.  The meta-message about Deadpool financing the team was pretty brilliant.  I can see why people would want a different attitude out of Rogue, but they do a pretty good job of explaining her lack of PR skills and the shit she's going through.

I've been a fan of Rogue since she joined the X-Men. Shortly after I tracked down an Avengers Annual #10. I've read every appearance she's made (that I'm aware of). Her characterisation in Uncanny is atrocious. She treats Synapse like shit because she's an Inhuman. This is from someone who has been a feared and loathed mutant her whole life....and a reformed criminal. Glad to see she's learned tolerance and understanding. Ugggh....


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 20, 2015, 09:03:11 pm
....I forgot to add that for many of the current writers who are in their thirties.....their silver age was probably "Heroes Reborn".


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on November 21, 2015, 02:38:29 am
I feel like my vacation from Marvel Comics is paying off. Unfortunately, any money I have saved has gone right into buying figures on eBay. Also, apparently there is a new comic shop in my hometown so it will be tough to abstain from comics once I get home.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on November 22, 2015, 10:41:40 pm
I just feel that every month, I move further and further away from Modern MARVEL and DC both. 

If anybody else is digging whatever is going on, more power to them.  But I have pretty much lost any and all interest in everything that's going on.  It just seems so distant and strange from anything I remember.  There's no bringing me back.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 23, 2015, 05:14:05 am
"All-New Wolverine" was actually okay. No long winded build up to the new costume. We're off and running from the first page.

Avengers by Mark Waid was so much less than I was hoping for  :(


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 23, 2015, 07:31:19 am
Have pretty much given up on anything Avengers or X-Men related. I've always been more of a team guy than solo characters, but the only Marvel books I'm currently reading are Dr. Strange, Captain America and Hercules. I will be trying Squadron Supreme -- and the Daredevil relaunch.
 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on November 23, 2015, 08:37:28 am
I've been trying a handful of Marvel comics lately.  And I just can't do the old guard stuff that's been recycled to death anymore.  That pains me as a former Avengers fan.  How many Avengers titles are there now?  I'm looking at the "shelf filler" books.  Hercules was OK.  Vision and Black Knight not so much.  Looking forward to the ongoing Weirdworld and Squadron Supreme. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on November 23, 2015, 11:03:06 am
Actually, I am somewhat interested in CAPTAIN AMERICA: WHITE and HOWLING COMMANDOS OF SHIELD.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 23, 2015, 01:16:57 pm
Captain America: White should have starred Sam Wilson.  Heads would explode!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 07, 2015, 07:52:17 am
Read both Daredevil #1 and Karnak #1 this weekend.

Daredevil looked really good -- Garney art, except for the limited color palette. At first, I thought it was being employed for a flashback, but apparently there was no flashback?! Storywise, it was pretty typical of DD versus NYC gang/gang leader.

Karnak was an okay read, but I don't think I'll bother unless I'm really hard up and there's nothing else on the shelf of interest.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 07, 2015, 06:57:18 pm
Yeah, Karnak was fine, didn't really hook me though.

Marvel's new event for 2016

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/march-to-civil-war-ii-dont-judge-marvels-events-by-their-title?utm_campaign=march-to-civil-war-ii-dont-judge-marvels-events-by-their-title&utm_medium=email&utm_source=breaking_bulletin

"Don't judge Marvel's events by their title". Nope, I don't do that. I judge them by their lack of quality. A turd is a turd.

No one is asking for this, no one ever does, but they know they can produce an additional 10 spin-off titles that get sales to comic shops. All about the numbers, not whether it's any good and if fans genuinely like them.

This time I'm out. I don't give a fuck what it's about. It's Bendis so it'll be talking heads, schoolyard bickering, huge fight, someone dies, ohnoes we need to learn from this, end.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 07, 2015, 07:13:08 pm
+1 rant.  ;D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 07, 2015, 09:09:24 pm
That... was amazingly accurate.  And I'm generally a Bendis fan.  I'm likely going to get the Unlimited Digital Sub next year, so I'll read it later.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on December 09, 2015, 11:22:14 am
Sigh....Mrs. MAGNET and I went into a new, local comic shop earlier this week.  You want to know what I bought?  Two SPONGEBOB comics.  The place has very, very little back issues....it's mostly the latest, newest stuff.  Sure, it was kind of fun to look around at the statues, figures, and other trinkets, but as far as books, they pretty much had nothing that I wanted.

Hey you kids!!  Get off my lawn!!   [cursing]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 10, 2015, 06:54:58 am
There is a shop on my home from work that I've been in a couple of times. It's a good place to stop when I want to pick up a book that's not on my regular pull list -- as I usually don't get into the regular LCS more than once per month. Their backstock is very limited. I couldn't even find backstock from a few months back.  Honestly, I rarely buy old books, but I was looking for the conclusion to the Fantastic Four series.

I will say that it's nice to step into a shop that's in a decent part of town -- whereas the one I go to is in a seedy part of town (and not the most kid-friendly place).


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on December 10, 2015, 01:29:49 pm
It's really not as bad as I make it out.  Hell....I buy 99% of my back issues online, so it's not like I can't find the stuff.  But it's just a little frustrating to me when a Comic Shop is like a damned Pop Music station.  It's all about what's hot right this second!

From what I understand, that's precisely why a whole slew of comic shops opened and closed in the 90s....the big implosion.  What happens when suddenly interest drops in the hottest trends, but nobody is buying any back issues, either??  Bam!  The bottom drops out.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 14, 2015, 06:55:55 am
So Scarlet Witch #1...

If you no little of Wanda Maximoff, you may be able to get through this without banging your head against a wall. The art is very indy, and in my opinion mediocre at best, amateur at worst. A really odd choice for a number one issue.

Then there's Wanda -- who has never really be a witch, except in name. Sure, she had some tutoring from Agatha Harkness (more on her later), but she never cast spells. Admittedly, her powers have been somewhat nebulous over the years -- but I liked Busiek's explanation that she was born an energy manipulator, and that because she was born on Wundagore Mountain, magic was the energy she manipulated. Well, it's clear very early that things have changed. Wanda calls herself a witch (no longer a mutant as we know), and states she has all the traditional powers including transformation and levitation (huh?!). She seems to be very educated in the history of magic and witchcraft -- which, I guess is possible, but seems a bit incongruous with how she has been portrayed in the past.

Agatha Harkness apparently was killed by Wanda back in Bendis's (ass clown) Avengers Disassembled -- though Wanda may or may not have been controlled by by external forces (Dr. Doom) at the time. So now she's a sarcastic ghost who dresses like a modern woman (well, she's wearing pants!).

If you can get past all of that, there may be something here for you, but I was very disappointed.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on December 16, 2015, 10:54:26 am
Captain America: White should have starred Sam Wilson.  Heads would explode!

Here's what I'm wondering....could they do BLACK PANTHER: BLACK??   ;D   I mean, he is technically a black guy, but he models himself after a BLACK jungle cat.  But BLACK could also mean a villain's  motives, or the ugliness of their heart.  

Anyway, I said all that as a joke, so please take it with several grains of salt!   :D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 17, 2015, 07:47:43 am
Before I started reading Avengers, I had no idea Black Panther was actually black. And it wasn't until Who's Who that I knew Black Manta was black. I was used to characters such as Black Canary, Black Widow, Black Orchid, Black Adam with black in their names that didn't reference their skin color.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 17, 2015, 08:30:06 am
Tried Squadron Supreme and the ongoing Weirdworld.  In reverse order...

Weirdworld changed gears to a whole new cast.  Arkon is gone replaced by an ensemble cast of new characters.  Although I think the cast from the mini is lurking in the background. 

Squadron Supreme is basically Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern come to the Marvel U to "take care of business". 

Not sure I'll stick with either of these.   


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 17, 2015, 07:24:12 pm
I've been a fan of Hyperion and Thundra since first laying eyes on em -- so this would have to be awful for me not to buy it. Leonard Kirk has become a really solid artist, so unless Robinson goes off the deep end, I'll be getting Squadron Supreme. I do hope to see more of the classic team -- even if it's just alternate versions.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 17, 2015, 07:29:59 pm
This is a very pale imitation of James Robinson compared to his Starman days.  I don't know where that guy went.  ???


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 11, 2016, 11:07:54 am
Typical of my LCS. I asked for Squadron Supreme to be added to my list months in advance. Went there on Saturday and nothing.  [banghead]

Will try a shop close to my route home this evening.  I'm getting so few books -- that I don't know why I still have a pull list.

What was in my box was Hellcat #1. I think I may have asked for the Perez variant, but I got the standard cartoony cover. The inside was really cartoony -- I mean more cartoony than Scooby-Doo. On some pages, Hellcat looked like a 12 year old. I don't even need to read this to know I'm not the audience.  I thought Kathryn Immomen's take on the characters from several years back was kinda fun, but this is just too much fluff for me to invest in.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on January 11, 2016, 01:13:23 pm
I've found everything I read by Kathryn Immomen off-putting.  The story never seems to flow properly.  She's a rare case where I won't read something based solely on the author.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on January 11, 2016, 01:39:00 pm
Read the first two issues of Squadron Supreme.  Won't be back for the third. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 11, 2016, 05:48:20 pm
What was in my box was Hellcat #1. I think I may have asked for the Perez variant, but I got the standard cartoony cover. The inside was really cartoony -- I mean more cartoony than Scooby-Doo. On some pages, Hellcat looked like a 12 year old. I don't even need to read this to know I'm not the audience. 

Yeah, I passed for the same reason.

Read the first two issues of Squadron Supreme.  Won't be back for the third. 

Whereas I liked it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on January 11, 2016, 06:26:11 pm
I view it as just another Avengers book. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 12, 2016, 09:22:07 am
The other shop was sold of SS#1, so I emailed my primary LCS to see if he has a copy -- or if he can get me one. But unless the book is a piece of crap, I'll probably stick with it. I'm a big fan of Hyperion and Thundra, like the Alex Ross covers and like Leonard Kirk's art (he's come a long way since his Supergirl days). I'm fine with it being another Avengers book, because I'm not buying any of the other Avengers books (and there are too many of those).

I had a chat with the owner of the LCS I visited last night. She said that the big two are definitely alienating the adult customers-- and she's not seeing an influx of younger collectors to make up the difference. I guess locale has an effect. Maybe the new Ms. Marvel being a Muslim appeals to a more urban audience, but it doesn't appeal to smalltown America.

I mentioned that Batgirl seems to be successful with it's change in tone. She said that her customers dropped it when it changed. I guess both DC and Marvel are taking more of a longterm approach -- and are willing to sacrifice longterm readers for those readers that they hope will come in the future. Remains to be seen how that will work out for them.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 12, 2016, 02:48:58 pm
Some good points.

I remember for years there was an approach by companies to get more girls into comics. I used to read about their attempts and think "you should be trying to get more people period into comics".

Since that doesn't seem to be working, the next obvious target is minority groups and I'm all for it. There can be as many female Korean transgender Buddhists in comics as you want, but I'd really prefer that they're new characters, not replacements of old characters. Marvel seem to be learning from this and the new versions of Power Man and Captain Marvel are not at the expense of the old ones.

But I do wonder what bones they're throwing to us older buyers? Y'know, the ones that paid their bills all these years.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on January 13, 2016, 07:40:08 am
Just my take, but the big two are not worried about us old school guys anymore.  I doubt they're even particularly interested in new readers.  I believe what we've been seeing is all setup.  Setup for other media.  And for that, they are reaching out to other demographic groups.  But mostly to younger audiences that may have little to no attachment to the source material.  Movies, TV, games, animation, original web material, and even "young adult novels" are just some of the avenues they're going into.  To say nothing of all the merchandise.  It's no wonder Ike is loosing his mind over the X-Men.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 20, 2016, 04:22:50 pm
I just sit and shake my head slowly.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/marvel-announces-steve-rogers-to-return-as-captain-america?utm_campaign=marvel-announces-steve-rogers-to-return-as-captain-america&utm_medium=email&utm_source=breaking_bulletin

It pisses me off to no end when people refer to Cap's "badge" shaped shield as his "classic" shield. You've clearly never read the golden age series or you'd know it appeared for exactly one fucking issue. If you want a classic shield then his Golden Age one is round with the additional blue ring on the outside edge.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 20, 2016, 08:39:50 pm
Picked up Captain Marvel #1 (the third number one in about as many years  [cuckoo]). The cover had a poster quality which was somewhat impressive -- despite the fact that I've never been fond of this new uniform. Well, at least the helmet has been jettisoned. The inside story is okay -- Carol's on a space station, some Alpha Flighters show up -- and apparently share the showers with Carol in a scene of out Starship Troopers. The interior art was serviceable. Carol's body has been seriously changed -- breasts are noticeably reduced -- and she's very Ms. Hardbody 2016. I guess some would find that look attractive, but not me. I know super women shouldn't have to be sexy, but damn it -- that's how I like them. And I don't mean that they have to wear thongs (which I always found distasteful in comics) or even swimsuits (the times they are a changing), but I prefer the classic comic book female body. Adam Hughes did one of the variants -- and did a good job of actually making Carol attractive -- whereas the interior artist makes her look like a drag queen, IMHO.

I imagine, though, that female readers will find this version a bit more palatable than the one Dave Cockrum created.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 31, 2016, 05:29:06 am
I thought CM was "okay". I might check out a second issue, but it better pick up.
Weird use of Alpha Flight.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 01, 2016, 07:29:12 am
I doubt I'll pick up CM#2.

So, the guy working the counter at the LCS was able to locate the first three issues of Squadron Supreme for me (after I complained about not getting any issues -- despite having add it to my pull list months in advance).

Anyway, I'm enjoying it for what it is. I'd prefer the classic Squadron, but I've always thought Thundra was basically Marvel's version of Wonder Woman -- and was more inspired than 'Power Princess'. I think Nighthawk needs a better uniform and prefer Hype in red. Hoping Defenders Kyle Richmond shows up down the road.

Also picked up Scarlet Witch #2 this weekend. The series uses a different artist each issue -- thankfully, issue 2 had much better art than the first. The story was interesting -- Robinson has always been good in pulling in obscure characters. Wanda is a bit different than her Avengers self - much more attuned to witchcraft than ever before -- but probably a necessary change for an ongoing.


Title: The last straw?
Post by: kcekada on February 16, 2016, 11:47:14 am
Creatively bankrupt.


CIVIL WAR II #0
BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS (W) • OLIVIER COIPEL (A/C)
VARIANT COVER BY ESAD RIBIC
CONNECTING VARIANT COVER A BY KIM JUNG JI
CHARACTER VARIANT COVER BY PHIL NOTO
From the creative team that brought you House of M and Siege comes a blistering first chapter in Marvel's new explosive event. Watch as the players are introduced and the table is set for a storyline that fans will be talking about for years.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 16, 2016, 09:22:26 pm
"a storyline that fans will be talking about for years".

Yeah, and not in a good way. I seriously think back through the last several Marvel "events" and can't give two fucks for any of them. I can scarcely even remember Fear itself and Age of Ultron.

I did even finish the recent Secret Wars and it doesn't seem to matter. Amazing how the Marvel Movies are being influenced by classic comic stories, but now it appears the comics need to be influenced by the movies (Civil War II).


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on February 17, 2016, 10:10:18 am
I think Civil War I is the last event to have a lasting resonance with the average reader.  The immediate retconning of Spidey unmasking really dampened my appreciation of Marvel.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 17, 2016, 06:28:59 pm
Just wonder when the average fan will say 'Enough!'

I didn't pick up any of the main Secret Wars series -- but did pick up 3 of the tie-ins -- A-Force, Squadron Sinister and Korvac Saga. They weren't brilliant, but they were better than a lot of their regular titles. I'll be avoiding Civil War II like the plague. I imagine Dr. Strange will get pulled into this mess, but hopefully it won't interfere with his ongoing storyline -- too much.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on February 18, 2016, 10:30:07 am
Just wonder when the average fan will say 'Enough!'

Therein lies the problem.  They haven't, so Marvel and DC keep doing what gives them a sales spike.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 26, 2016, 09:44:07 pm
Anyone else sample Robinson's Scarlet Witch?

I'm really enjoying it -- though his Wanda is much more pf a sorceress than she ever was as an Avenger.  I find her newly developed skills a bit hard to accept at times -- and her 'mutant' abilities have pretty much been absent in this run. I guess the effect on probabilities is something that won't even be mentioned some day. That aside, I do like the ongoing tale featuring the, err... Emerald Warlock. I think this has the potential to be Robinson's strongest work in over a decade. Not sure the round-robin of artists is great for building a fan base (the art on #1 was cringe-worthy, but issues 2 and 3 were fine -- despite being worlds apart in style). Still haven't seen an explanation of exactly how or why Wanda killed Agatha --but I suspect that may be a story told down the road -- Times Past -- if you will.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on March 21, 2016, 10:45:35 am
Yow! Almost one month has gone by since any comments -- and mine was the last. Well, can't really blame anyone -- as Marvel's current crop of series is very underwhelming.

Infinity Entity
-- I guess the newest entry in the line of Starlin's Infinity series debuted two weeks ago. It's a weekly series, so #3 will be out this week. I read the first issue -- and found it okay. Alan Davis art was pretty -- though Adam's new outfit is a generic mess, and I don't like the pretzel insignia. They keep shying away from the 70s outfit, but each new iteration is worse than the one before.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 21, 2016, 11:49:37 am
Yet, the outfit was Starlin's idea apparently.  ???


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 21, 2016, 04:13:48 pm
It's a decent read and a nice change, but yeah, the outfit is blecccch. Davis is still awesome.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 10, 2016, 09:47:42 pm
Black Panther #1 was a good read.

A little slow going, but I'm prepared to hang in there. Nice to see Brian Stelfreeze art too.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 11, 2016, 09:09:20 am
Picked it up, but haven't had a chance to read it yet.

What is the deal with Javier Pulido? He contributed artwork to Scarlet Witch #5 -- and it looked like something a junior high school student would produce. Have to wonder how some of these guys make it!  [cuckoo]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 11, 2016, 06:06:46 pm
Picked it up, but haven't had a chance to read it yet.

What is the deal with Javier Pulido? He contributed artwork to Scarlet Witch #5 -- and it looked like something a junior high school student would produce. Have to wonder how some of these guys make it!  [cuckoo]

There's a number of artists who have been phoning it in for years now. John Romita Jr and the Kuberts come to mind. All are great artists when they make the effort, but when they don't it's obvious. JR JR's inker (Hannah?) should be paid more for having to clean up the chicken scratch his artist friend hands to him.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on April 12, 2016, 10:57:28 am

JR JR's inker (Hannah?) should be paid more for having to clean up the chicken scratch his artist friend hands to him.

That has long been the case with lil Romita. Bob McCleod pointed that out a few years ago in a retrospective on his work. He stopped inking Romita JR -- because the penciller was only doing layouts -- but getting paid for completed pencils. JR JR was able to get away doing what artists with a different last name wouldn't. He's a good layout artist -- but has always taken shortcuts regarding illustration.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 12, 2016, 07:41:37 pm

JR JR's inker (Hannah?) should be paid more for having to clean up the chicken scratch his artist friend hands to him.

That has long been the case with lil Romita. Bob McCleod pointed that out a few years ago in a retrospective on his work. He stopped inking Romita JR -- because the penciller was only doing layouts -- but getting paid for completed pencils. JR JR was able to get away doing what artists with a different last name wouldn't. He's a good layout artist -- but has always taken shortcuts regarding illustration.

Hi stuff back in the day on Uncanny X-Men and Daredevil was good. I think the last work of his I thought was decent was Punisher War Zone. It went downhill after that.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on April 19, 2016, 12:47:07 pm
This is weird coming from me, but the CIVIL WAR II series about HERCULES sounds  pretty interesting.  I heard it described as sort of an EXPENDABLES, but with Greek Gods.  How cool is that??


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 19, 2016, 07:03:26 pm
This is weird coming from me, but the CIVIL WAR II series about HERCULES sounds  pretty interesting.  I heard it described as sort of an EXPENDABLES, but with Greek Gods.  How cool is that??

His solo title has been pretty enjoyable.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 22, 2016, 09:43:55 am
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/04/22/marvel-publishes-a-11000-variant-cover-of-civil-war-ii-0-by-greg-land/

Not April Fool's.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 22, 2016, 11:58:14 pm
I enjoy a variant cover when they are a "choice" at newsstand time. If it's gonna cost me above cover price then I'm uninterested.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 25, 2016, 12:54:45 pm
*crickets*


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 25, 2016, 12:55:20 pm
I've been catching up on vol 1 of x-factor and x-men from the '80s


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 25, 2016, 01:00:08 pm
Marvel is losing steam except for Star Wars.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: powersthatbe on June 25, 2016, 03:01:34 pm
funny,i just sold my set of x factor comics(80s) and generation x.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 25, 2016, 05:10:00 pm
The Start wars stuff is great. A shame Darth Vader is coming to an end.

I'm still enjoying a lot of the more Indy type of Marvel stuff, such as Punisher, Moon Knight and Silver surfer.

I've no interest in Civil War 2. I'll just read the Wikipedia entry to stay up to date.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 25, 2016, 05:37:02 pm
I've been reading all of Marvel's post-Secret Wars books about 6 months behind on Marvel Unlimited.  I'm surprised to find how much I'm enjoying Squirrel Girl, Ms. Marvel, Amazing Spider-Man, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Spider-Man 2099, Contest of Champions, Venom, the Inhumans books and more.  I wouldn't have picked them up as singles, but at $60/year for unlimited reads I'm quite enjoying them.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 25, 2016, 06:25:09 pm
funny,i just sold my set of x factor comics(80s) and generation x.
I have been enjoying getting back in to collecting back issues. I got in to comics in the early '80s so I'm really nostalgic for marvel books from that era. I'm trying to get every issue of uncanny x-men from 97-300 as well as the complete first volume of x-factor and new mutants. Once those quests are done I will move my focus to avengers and non mutant books from the same era.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 25, 2016, 10:19:41 pm
funny,i just sold my set of x factor comics(80s) and generation x.
I have been enjoying getting back in to collecting back issues. I got in to comics in the early '80s so I'm really nostalgic for marvel books from that era. I'm trying to get every issue of uncanny x-men from 97-300 as well as the complete first volume of x-factor and new mutants. Once those quests are done I will move my focus to avengers and non mutant books from the same era.

You should torrent some stuff. Between Tyroc and myself, we've pretty much acquired everything Marvel has ever done pre-2000.
I'm reading currently reading Daredevil and Avengers from ish #1 and also the Timely Captain America run.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 26, 2016, 01:46:37 pm
Daredevil has been decent. Don't know how much longer I'll support Sam Wilson: Captain America. I prefer him as Falcon. Black Widow -- may have to drop -- just not a fan of Samnee's style. Waid's Avengers is okay on the rare occasion I pick it up -- but I don't get the decision to create all these rag tag Avengers teams -- and not have one that's a bit more traditional.

I recall how Marvel was looking pretty good when the Nu 52 was losing its luster way back. But DC is apparently righting the ship -- while Marvel is just floundering, IMHO.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 26, 2016, 03:15:45 pm
funny,i just sold my set of x factor comics(80s) and generation x.
I have been enjoying getting back in to collecting back issues. I got in to comics in the early '80s so I'm really nostalgic for marvel books from that era. I'm trying to get every issue of uncanny x-men from 97-300 as well as the complete first volume of x-factor and new mutants. Once those quests are done I will move my focus to avengers and non mutant books from the same era.

You should torrent some stuff. Between Tyroc and myself, we've pretty much acquired everything Marvel has ever done pre-2000.
I'm reading currently reading Daredevil and Avengers from ish #1 and also the Timely Captain America run.

I have used torrents in the past. I have a nice collection on my hard drive that I use when I'm overseas. I really like my local comic shop and they have been getting a steady flow of back issues in lately. This gives me an excuse to support my local shop while not buying any new marvel stuff.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 30, 2016, 08:55:54 am
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/30/marvel-announces-divided-we-stand/

My DC bias aside, does this look at all familiar to you guys too?

I really would like to see the BIG TWO stop fart-sniffing each other.  [tap]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 30, 2016, 05:15:10 pm
A singularly bad marketing idea...

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/06/30/marvel-should-hope-their-readers-arent-next-with-i-quit-teaser-campaign/

This has to rank up there with New Coke. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 30, 2016, 06:04:10 pm
Eh? Whatevs. I tend to ignore the marketing and I'm done with events. I'll just keep reading what I want to read and ignore what I don't.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 30, 2016, 06:23:38 pm
I'm not sure what you're referring to with the fart-sniffing, but as far as bad marketing goes I think you're right.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 30, 2016, 06:47:36 pm
I just thing Marvel and DC circle each other a little too much trying to determine what's the "Next Big Thing".  I'd prefer them to differentiate themselves instead of going through each others recycling bins. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on July 02, 2016, 12:31:11 am
What in the flying hell is U.S.Avengers!??   ???


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 02, 2016, 02:27:09 am
What in the flying hell is U.S.Avengers!??   ???

DC has had Justice League of America for too long.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 03, 2016, 11:15:46 am
New Avengers re-branded for a sales spike.  It's actually a good book.  Al Ewing is writing solid stuff all over the place.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 03, 2016, 11:31:52 pm
New Avengers re-branded for a sales spike.  It's actually a good book.  Al Ewing is writing solid stuff all over the place.

We seem to be in a new phase where not just books, but characters need rebranding. Every character ever seems to be getting a new younger, race diverse version. I was surprised the new Wasp was white.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on July 04, 2016, 11:54:02 am
I am incredibly out of touch with pretty much everything.   :-\


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 11, 2016, 12:07:54 pm
Another Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers relaunch? I don't think it will make any difference -- unless they do something really exciting with the character.

 http://www.newsarama.com/30053-captain-marvel-to-relaunch-in-2017-with-bestselling-ya-author.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 11, 2016, 02:05:08 pm
The renumbering every year is getting old.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on July 11, 2016, 04:59:07 pm
Seriously!  I honesty think they should just title everything with the year after it, and just number the books 1-12.  For example....DAREDEVIL 2017 # 1, NOT REALLY THE AVENGERS 2018 # 4, etc.....


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on July 11, 2016, 05:04:53 pm
I just finished X-men annual 10 from 1986 with art by Arthur Adams. That guy's art is amazing In that book. It was a nice diversion and it features Longshot.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 11, 2016, 05:16:38 pm
Marvel announces 20 + new titles today.  An overreaction to Rebirth?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 11, 2016, 08:51:27 pm
Well, Bleeding Cool leaked 20+ titles.  They're stuck in a rut of new #1, six issue arc, life-altering event, new #1.  It's too bad as they're actually putting out some great books.  Seriously, I highly recommend you all get a year sub to Marvel Unlimited.  Start ignoring the numbers and you'll find some good stuff.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 12, 2016, 06:39:44 pm
 Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows #1 by Gerry Conway & Ryan Stegman
• Avengers #1 by Mark Waid & Mike Del Mundo
• Occupy Avengers #1 by David Walker & Gabriel Walta
• U.S.Avengers #1 by Al Ewing & Paco Medina
• Ultimates2 #1 by Al Ewing & Travel Foreman
• Great Lakes Avengers #1 by Zac Gorman & Will Robson
• The Unstoppable Wasp #1 by Jeremy Whitley & Elsa Charretier
• Venom #1 by Mike Costa & Gerardo Sandoval
• Avengers #1.1 by Mark Waid & Barry Kitson
• Doctor Strange: Sorcerers Supreme #1 by Robbie Thompson & Javier Rodriguez
• Star-Lord #1 by Chip Zdarsky & unnamed artist
• Slapstick #1 by Reilly Brown, Fred Van Lente & Mike Norton
• Solo #1 by Gerry Duggan, Geoffrey Thorne & Paco Diaz
• Foolkiller #1 by Max Bemis & Dalibor Talajic
• Prowler #1 by Sean Ryan & Jamal Campbell

Continuing series in the catalog include:

• Spider-Man #12 by Brian Michael Bendis & Sarah Pichelli
• Uncanny Avengers #15 by Gerry Duggan & Pepe Larraz
• Black Panther #7 by Ta-Nehisi Coates & Chris Sprouse
• Thunderbolts #7 by Jim Zub & Jon Malin
• Doctor Strange #12 by Jason Aaron & Chris Bachalo
• The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #16 by Ryan North & Erica Henderson
• Patsy Walker A.K.A. Hellcat! #11 by Kate Leth & Brittney L. Williams
• The Totally Awesome Hulk #15 by Greg Pak & unnamed artist
• Silk #13 by Robbie Thompson & Tana Ford
• Deadpool & The Mercs For Money #4 by Cullen Bunn & Iban Coello

Likewise, a checklist included in the front of the album listed the following already-announced titles:

• Clone Conspiracy #1 by Dan Slott, Christos Gage & Giuseppe Camuncoli
• Death of X #1 by Jeff Lemire, Charles Soule & Aaron Kuder
• Thanos #1 by Jeff Lemire & Mike Deodato
• Champions #1 by Mark Waid & Humberto Ramos
• Cage! #1 by Genndy Tartakovsky
• The Unworthy Thor #1 by Jason Aaron & Olivier Coipel
• Captain Marvel #1 by Margaret Stohl & Ramon Rosanas
• Mosaic #1 by Geoffrey Thorne & Khary Randolph
• Jessica Jones #1 by Brian Michael Bendis, Michael Gaydos & David Mack
• Infamous Iron Man #1 by Brian Micheal Bendis & Alex Maleev
• Invincible Iron Man #1 by Brian Michael Bendis & Stefano Caselli

Also included in the checklist were the following new series, with no creative teams or further info attached:

• Nova #1
• Gamora #1
• Guardians of the Galaxy #15
• Hawkeye #1
• Iron Fists #1
• Kingpin #1
• Rocket Raccoon #1
• Bullseye #1

Finally, according to the checklist, the following ongoing series will retain their numbering, though no information about the creative teams or whether they will undergo any changes is yet known.

• The Mighty Thor #15
• Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur #13
• Moon Knight #20
• Ms. Marvel #12
• Punisher #7
• Silver Surfer #9
• Spider-Gwen #15
• Spider-Man 2099 #21
• Spider-Woman #13
• Squadron Supreme #13
• The Unbelievable Gwenpool #7
• Uncanny Inhumans #15
• Captain America: Steve Rogers #7
• Captain America: Sam Wilson #14
• Power Man & Iron Fist #10
• Deadpool #21
• Guardians of the Galaxy #15

This is the complete leaked list from the Marvel Now catalog for tomorrow.  No sign of the Fantastic Four and the X-Men have all gone bye-bye(for now).  Newsarama has a theory...http://www.newsarama.com/30093-does-marvel-really-publish-ongoing-series-anymore.html
that the current setup at Marvel is for "Seasons" like your favorite cable TV shows like Game of Thrones or Walking Dead.  Makes a sort of sense.  But it really does break up the creative rhythm in many cases. 

My theory is two fold and simpler.  1) They're seeing what sticks to the wall.  And 2) It's all about action figures.  And I'm not even joking.  I expect Von Doom/Iron Man sometime in 2017. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 12, 2016, 08:25:14 pm
What a mess.

"Unstoppable" Wasp? Really? Have they run out of adjectives?

I've been hoping for a Luke Cage series for a while and as much as I like Tartarovski's animation, I can't help thinking I'll just be looking at a black version of Samurai Jack.

As I read through the horseshit on those lists, I'm just grateful that the "under the radar" books like Silver Surfer, Punisher and Moon Knight are unaffected. That's where the Marvel goodness is right now.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 12, 2016, 09:46:42 pm
The bigger difference here that I see between Marvel and DC is that DC doubled down on their heavy hitters with Rebirth.  Marvel is giving Slapstick, among others, a solo title.  Kinda like the six issue Red Wolf series that came out of Secret Wars.  Among others.  I'm not bashing Marvel.  I just don't get it. 

I'm sure DC will get around to its fourth and fifth stringers.  It just might take a while. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 13, 2016, 10:09:33 am
Looks like Scarlet Witch is cancelled. That series had some beautiful covers by David Aja -- but using a different artist for each story didn't help it -- and some of those artists were way too indy for my tastes. Storywise, it was difficult for me to connect this Wanda to the one who was an Avenger. Seemed to be a different character -- especially regarding her use of magic.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 13, 2016, 10:45:48 pm
The bigger difference here that I see between Marvel and DC is that DC doubled down on their heavy hitters with Rebirth.  Marvel is giving Slapstick, among others, a solo title.  Kinda like the six issue Red Wolf series that came out of Secret Wars.  Among others.  I'm not bashing Marvel.  I just don't get it. 

It's not just Slapstick. Deadpool has been using characters like Foolkiller, Terror, Inc and Solo to build the Deadpool "brand" in the Deadpool series. Now those guys are getting their own titles? WTF?

Times have changed. Rogue used to have her own title with X-Men: Legacy, now the only place I find her is the horrid Uncanny Avengers.

I just want to point out again that Foolkiller is getting a solo title.

Really.

Foolkiller.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 13, 2016, 11:02:01 pm
Read a blurb about Solo somewhere today.  He's the super hero answer to the Bourne films.   ::)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 14, 2016, 05:18:05 am
There's a fairly simple explanation for all of this too.  Marvel is simply keeping their trademarks primed.  Costs $$$ when you lose one.  Ike be trippin'.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on July 15, 2016, 10:45:52 am
Plus they want to get the lesser-knowns out there for future movie/tv use.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 18, 2016, 07:12:07 am

Times have changed. Rogue used to have her own title with X-Men: Legacy, now the only place I find her is the horrid Uncanny Avengers.


I think you may have to accept the fact that the best Rogue stories have already been told.

Frankly -- that  is the case with all of the Marvel characters, IMHO. So (and this is what I intend to do) -- either call it a day or just support material that deserves it (if you can find any such material!).

I find myself reading (and caring) less and less.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 18, 2016, 08:05:49 am
Not to justify anything that Marvel or DC does, but it must be incredibly difficult to tell the "Never-Ending-Story".  In the case of DC, they can throw legacies at us.  But that's not a concept that Marvel has embraced very much.  On the other hand, DC reaches back to 1938.  Marvel (with the exception of Captain America) only goes back to 1961 (more or less).  Less time to stagnate. 

Every story should have a beginning, a middle, and an end.  Not so much with comics and soap operas.  It's why they're both so convoluted. 

Even CSI and Law and Order will end one day.  When the Earth leaves it's orbit and crashes into the Sun.   ;D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on July 18, 2016, 12:13:36 pm
I find myself reading (and caring) less and less.

I'm kind of like that too, KC.  [think]

I have no issue with comics going on and on and on.  That's pretty much the point, unless somebody sets out to do a series with a true ending in mind.  But nowadays, I'm more about filling in the holes in my back issue collection.  The 'new' titles I am interested in are mostly INDY books.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on July 19, 2016, 06:34:18 am
Not to justify anything that Marvel or DC does, but it must be incredibly difficult to tell the "Never-Ending-Story".  In the case of DC, they can throw legacies at us.  But that's not a concept that Marvel has embraced very much. 

I think that's what they're attempting to do with all of these new versions of classic characters -- Hulk, Captain America, Ms. Marvel, Thor, Wasp -- now Iron Man. But I find these to be watered-down concepts -- or franchise characters -- not as good as the originals -- so why should I bother?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 19, 2016, 07:12:39 am
It is very forced feeling on Marvel's side.  DC's legacy is a bit more natural and organically evolved.  When you look back a bit, you can see Infinity Inc. was ahead of it's time.  Continuity glitches aside, I'd love to see them again in the Rebirth world.  Including Hector and Lyta. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 19, 2016, 11:17:07 pm
Well I didn't think Moon Knight in a three piece suit would ever grow on me, but I should have had faith in Warren Ellis. He's moved on now, but others are taking the concept and running with it. It's good stuff.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 19, 2016, 11:19:18 pm
....and if you're wondering if the pocket rocket (she's barely five feet tall) Becky Cloonan could handle the writing chores on The Punisher? Wonder no more, she's got things well in hand. It's brutal with plenty of action. Steve Dillon art doesn't hurt either.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on August 09, 2016, 10:36:43 am
So I'm about to drop Daredevil. Didn't realize they were using a new artist for each arc. That only works if I like all the artists. Had I known Garney wasn't permanent, I'd had dropped it after he finished the first arc. Storywise -- there's nothing really grabbing me -- pretty much business as usual.

Will probably drop Black Widow as well. I think Samnee is a fine storyteller, but his art looks more like thumbnails to me -- I'm not fond of his minimalist illustration style.

That will allow me to add Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman -- without adding to my pull list.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on August 09, 2016, 11:33:23 pm
So I'm about to drop Daredevil. Didn't realize they were using a new artist for each arc. That only works if I like all the artists.

Ugh.  There are artists I don't care for that have absolutely kept me from buying certain titles. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on August 23, 2016, 02:29:59 pm
So....how many AVENGERS # 1s are there at this point?   [crazy]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on August 23, 2016, 05:21:51 pm
So....how many AVENGERS # 1s are there at this point?   [crazy]

At least you can say you own an Avengers #1  ;D


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on August 24, 2016, 02:23:26 pm
Haha!  That's true! 

Then, there's AVENGERS 1.1....


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 01, 2016, 08:14:29 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/30876-marvel-s-mu-revealed.html

This is Marvel's high powered counter to Rebirth?  WTF?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 01, 2016, 10:28:36 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/30876-marvel-s-mu-revealed.html

This is Marvel's high powered counter to Rebirth?  WTF?

Is anyone saying that it is?

I don't think Marvel needs to do anything. If they must do something, just restart all their titles from #1 and give it a name like "Marvel Rejuvenation" or "Marvel Reawakening" and then you'd get sales like DC has. No one is saying Rebirth is proving to be awesome stories with great art, instead, it's just a chance for shops to order more than they normally would because it's a super-awesome-mega-collector's #1 issue of *insert title* which is a proven sales gimmick.

It works. I'm trying a few titles that I wasn't already reading (Nightwing & Deathstroke), but I remember the exact same thing happened with Nu52 and I went from 18 titles to 4. Give it time and Rebirth sales will drop sufficiently enough that DC start planning "DC: Adolescence".


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 01, 2016, 10:31:03 pm
As a decades long fan of FRANKENSTEIN, WEREWOLF BY NIGHT, and to a lesser degree, DRACULA, I find it a really odd choice.  Monster comics are a bit of a niche, while costumed Super Heroes are all the rage.  I can't see even successful Monster comics being a really huge deal, even though everybody and their dog loves Zombies.

My 2 cents worth.  [beer]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 01, 2016, 10:34:16 pm
....and if Marvel want to accommodate all their fans including life long fans that built that fucking company like me, then do all the diversity you want and put out as many titles as you want......but just make sure there's one Avengers title that has Captain America with a round shield, a Thor with Junk, Iron Man that isn't a teenager, Hawkeye who isn't a murderer, a Scarlet Witch/Hank Pym who isn't a nutjob and a few other cool characters like Black Panther, She-Hulk, Black Knight, etc.

....and an X-Men title where the X-Men people like are actually together. Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Rogue, Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Psylocke.

*steps off soapbox*


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 01, 2016, 10:35:58 pm
Give it time and Rebirth sales will drop sufficiently enough that DC start planning "DC: Adolescence".

Ugh.  We all know that's coming someday.   [sick]

But it is true.  Gone are the days of scenarios lasting longer than a few years, tops.  We live in a faster paced world, and apparently, people get tired of everything more quickly, and want whatever is new, fresh, etc...


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 02, 2016, 09:02:34 am

I don't think Marvel needs to do anything. If they must do something, just restart all their titles from #1 and give it a name like "Marvel Rejuvenation" or "Marvel Reawakening" and then you'd get sales like DC has. No one is saying Rebirth is proving to be awesome stories with great art, instead, it's just a chance for shops to order more than they normally would because it's a super-awesome-mega-collector's #1 issue of *insert title* which is a proven sales gimmick.


Oh, I think that is quite an undersale of Rebirth. If it was just a batch of new number ones, the buzz would not be there. Marvel does it all the time, and it appears to have worn thin with readers. I can't say that every Rebirth title I've sampled is great (Titans has been very disappointing -- especially the art in comparison with Titans Hunt which was far superior). But Rebirth does feel like a new, different approach -- more character-centered and less universe driven. Could be wrong -- and it may all come to naught, but it's working for now.

I don't know that Marvel needs to do anything or not. They may be gaining new readers at the expense of older readers, and I guess that's a fair trade off. I too wish there was one Avengers title and/or one X-Men title that appealed to me, but there isn't.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 02, 2016, 12:10:18 pm
I'm a little interested in the title SPIDEY, but that's about it.  I was gonna give X-MEN '92 a try, but so far, none of the story premises have grabbed me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 02, 2016, 06:46:19 pm
I don't think Marvel needs to do anything. If they must do something, just restart all their titles from #1 and give it a name like "Marvel Rejuvenation" or "Marvel Reawakening" and then you'd get sales like DC has. No one is saying Rebirth is proving to be awesome stories with great art, instead, it's just a chance for shops to order more than they normally would because it's a super-awesome-mega-collector's #1 issue of *insert title* which is a proven sales gimmick.

Oh, I think that is quite an undersale of Rebirth. If it was just a batch of new number ones, the buzz would not be there. Marvel does it all the time, and it appears to have worn thin with readers. I can't say that every Rebirth title I've sampled is great (Titans has been very disappointing -- especially the art in comparison with Titans Hunt which was far superior). But Rebirth does feel like a new, different approach -- more character-centered and less universe driven. Could be wrong -- and it may all come to naught, but it's working for now.

I don't know that Marvel needs to do anything or not. They may be gaining new readers at the expense of older readers, and I guess that's a fair trade off. I too wish there was one Avengers title and/or one X-Men title that appealed to me, but there isn't.

I agree, it is an under sale of Rebirth.  Certainly there are no titles like Swamp Thing, Sandman, Starman, Hitman etc., yet.  But there is some pretty legit good stuff here.  When New 52 hit, I tried the first issue of every title.  Second issues I was well under half.  Six months later I was down to a small handful and eventually nothing.  There was an immediate, visceral dislike for New 52 in me.  Rebirth is different.  Can't put my finger on it but if I'd have to guess, I'd say this is Johns "voice" over DiDio's "voice".  Geoff is asserting himself and taking charge.  It's more complex than Marvel simply renumbering.  Without Star Wars titles, Marvel's sales numbers are sinking.  I've heard that some retailers don't think they've seen the bottom yet. 

My concern is whether or not DC can sustain this, especially with bi-weekly shipping.  Burns out creative teams pretty quickly.  I'm also concerned with DiDio sliding back into the micromanagement for which he is known.

But all-in-all, I understand the strategy; reestablish the big guns and build out from there.       


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 02, 2016, 09:02:40 pm
Perhaps MARVEL is putting too much focus on Movies and not enough on Comics?  If so, that's not smart.  Many, many people love MARVEL movies but would never buy or read a comic book in their life.  My point being that comics are the source material and foundation for all this, and that needs to stay strong.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 02, 2016, 09:23:45 pm
Last year this time, I would've agreed with you.  But it's pretty widely known now that movies and publishing are no longer under the same roof.  Truthfully I don't know what's going on.  But I do know that Star Wars is keeping them afloat.  The Avengers as a brand has been diluted to the point where I don't recognize them.  If they want to connect to the movie audience, it's a big fail in that regard.  The Inhumans have been unable to replace the X-Men.  Another fail.

Put simply, there seems to be little connecting with fans.  Something DC is diligently working to re-establish.  Detective is so good I can hardly stand the two week wait.     


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 03, 2016, 09:45:11 am
I think the lesson Marvel could/should take away from this is a reaching out to older fans.  Not a complete reversion, but DC has struck the right balance.  Marvel is currently looking like Late 00's DC.  So much diversity that it comes across as a gimmick.  Which is too bad because a lot of their titles that focus on diversity are good.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 03, 2016, 11:34:01 am
For me, this sums it all up perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DlTexEXxLQ


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 03, 2016, 09:05:24 pm
I think the lesson Marvel could/should take away from this is a reaching out to older fans.  Not a complete reversion, but DC has struck the right balance.  Marvel is currently looking like Late 00's DC.  So much diversity that it comes across as a gimmick.  Which is too bad because a lot of their titles that focus on diversity are good.

Sound advice except that I can't see exactly where Marvel went off the rails with "older fans".  DC went out of their way to be rid of us.  Several times. 

As for "diversity", I have the same problem with Marvel as I do DC in this regard.  Don't take a beloved character and make him gay, black, female, or anything else for the sake of "diversity".  Renee Montoya isn't a bad character, but Vic Sage is the Question.  Ditko, O'Neil, and Cowan saw to that.   It may actually be worse at Marvel without the concept of Legacy to fall back on.  Create new characters for gay, black, and female readers to identify with.  Moon Girl is a perfect example.  Wiccan is too.  Anybody remember Freedom Beast?  Ugh.           


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 03, 2016, 11:28:25 pm

Sound advice except that I can't see exactly where Marvel went off the rails with "older fans".  DC went out of their way to be rid of us.  Several times. 
   

Thor is not my Thor (I like her, but I like my Thor better)

Someone else has Cap's shield. He now has a crap uniform.

Wolverine is dead (I like Laura, but she's not my Wolverine)

Hulk is dead.

My X-Men are spread all over the place. There's only one title that comes close to bringing my X-Men together (Extraordinary has Storm, Colossus and Nightcrawler. Missing is Rogue, my Wolverine, Psylocke and Shadowcat)

My Avengers are dispersed all over the place too. There's no title that even comes close to bringing my Cap, Thor, Vision, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Hank Pym, Black Panther together.

Characters like Black Knight and She-Hulk seem to have faded. A-Force sucks.

Fantastic Four.

Oversaturation of G.o.t.G

Do I go on?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 04, 2016, 05:16:52 am
Point taken.  But I was thinking in terms of a giant, all in one "fuck off" like DC has done with New 52. 

Rebirth is the "hat in hand" apology to old readers. 

If Marvel is guilty of anything, it's of "Bendisizing" the MU.  Millar was very respectful of the MU when he was lead dog.  Bendis not so much.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 04, 2016, 05:26:36 am
It's all very disjointed at the moment. I don't feel like there's a cohesive universe like I did decades ago. Remember when you'd pickup Web of Spider-Man and it guest starred Wolverine? It felt like a big deal. Most mainstream characters were turning up somewhere. Now I struggle to keep up as some characters are appearing in several different places a month and no one in editorial is talking to anyone else.

I'll say it again..... Marvel's best titles are the ones with the least interference. Moon Knight, Punisher, Silver Surfer, etc.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 04, 2016, 07:25:16 am
Generally speaking, those are the best books anyway.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 04, 2016, 11:07:10 am
I think trying to cater to the new America where everybody has severe ADHD is part of the problem, too. 

Don't get me wrong.  I understand trying to shake up the Status Quo a bit, and wanting to bring in new readers.  But here's the problem: Comics are sort of old fashioned.  You simply read them, and look at the pictures.  People are different now, and here's my crazy example....

It used to be that skydiving would be a big deal to the average person.  Nowadays, you jump out of the plane, and you film it on your phone!  You Tweet that you are skydiving, then you SnapChat somebody else that's also skydiving while YOU are skydiving!  Then you eat sushi and Blog about your diet before you pull the ripcord.  As you float gently down, you check your Facebook to see if anybody responded, you buy a pair of shoes on Amazon, and you start making plans for what to do an hour after you land.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to hold the attention of people with short attention spans that are constantly looking for the next big thing, and I think those are the types of people that MARVEL and formerly DC are looking to please.

It can't be done, because they are done with comics after a few months, and they move on to something else.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 06, 2016, 09:42:11 am

Sound advice except that I can't see exactly where Marvel went off the rails with "older fans".  DC went out of their way to be rid of us.  Several times. 
   

Thor is not my Thor (I like her, but I like my Thor better)

Someone else has Cap's shield. He now has a crap uniform.

Wolverine is dead (I like Laura, but she's not my Wolverine)

Hulk is dead.

My X-Men are spread all over the place. There's only one title that comes close to bringing my X-Men together (Extraordinary has Storm, Colossus and Nightcrawler. Missing is Rogue, my Wolverine, Psylocke and Shadowcat)

My Avengers are dispersed all over the place too. There's no title that even comes close to bringing my Cap, Thor, Vision, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Hank Pym, Black Panther together.

Characters like Black Knight and She-Hulk seem to have faded. A-Force sucks.

Fantastic Four.

Oversaturation of G.o.t.G

Do I go on?

NOPE! Nailed it!!!  [applause]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 06, 2016, 10:00:35 pm
It can't be done, because they are done with comics after a few months, and they move on to something else.

So why cater to them then? Just write good stories with the characters that long time fans love and let the ADHD crowd come and go. Everyone is happy. I'm all for diversity, if you want a female Thor, then just create a second title and leave my Thor and his title alone. The stuff Aaron was doing with the whole "God-Butcher" thing was superb!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 08, 2016, 03:47:23 pm
Just write good stories with the characters that long time fans love and let the ADHD crowd come and go. Everyone is happy. I'm all for diversity, if you want a female Thor, then just create a second title and leave my Thor and his title alone.

I couldn't agree more.  That's why I always joke about a gender reversed MARVEL or DC Universe. 

Hell....this would be controversial, but why not make a comic where blacks are the dominate race in America, or even on the entire planet?  The BLACK PANTHER, FALCON, LUKE CAGE, STORM, MISTY KNIGHT, and BLADE could all be white people, and the rest would be black!



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 08, 2016, 10:43:34 pm
Since Marvel and DC seem to constantly need some kind of event or gimmick every year to boost sales to comic shops, I thought of one that I think would work without having to resort to changing characters at all or the usual "nothing will ever be the same again" type shit.

So here's the pitch.

Just let the Marvel and DC universes be. Keep Steve as Cap, Thor as Thor, Wolverine alive, JSA is the JSA, etc, etc.

Now, Marvel and DC agree to a three month long event....together (three issues of each title)....and they swap villains.

That's it.

But you don't know until you pick up the issue of.....

Captain America that he's gotta stop an assassin that turns out to be.....Deathstroke.

Batman that he's hunting a murderer who is savaging his victims and it turns out to be.......Sabretooth.

Spider-Man that he's gotta stop the mad plans of The Joker who is in league with the Penguin to dethrone The Kingpin and take over New York's underworld.

Flash that he's gotta stop the U-Foes



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 09, 2016, 08:13:31 am
Yep. That would be an amazing Summer event -- even better than Amalgam!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 09, 2016, 08:27:33 am
Are we at a point where Marvel and DC would consider a crossover again?  Doesn't matter.  The question is would Disney/WB allow it?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 09, 2016, 09:46:46 am
Acts of Multiversal Vengeance!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 09, 2016, 09:50:30 am
Holy shit, FISH!  That is an awesome idea!!!  [rock]

Are we at a point where Marvel and DC would consider a crossover again?

Sadly, I think those days are long gone.  They're like Democrats and Republicans now.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 09, 2016, 09:46:11 pm
The main reason I think it could work is because currently egos won't allow either headliner to lose in a Hulk vs Superman fight, etc.
But with villains it's a whole different ballgame. Heroes win so it's a win/win for the companies and the fans.

Best of all, don't reveal who the guest villains are. Shops will order big because of people's curiosity.

I don't read Superman, but I'd spring for a couple of issues if he's gotta stop Juggernaut.
I don't read Black Widow, but I'd check out her going up against Cheetah or Killer Frost.
I'd read the shit out of a Captain Marvel mini where Loki is trying to capture Shazam's power and sends the Wrecking Crew as a distraction.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 11, 2016, 11:42:00 am
SPIDER-MAN battling some FLASH ROGUES would be totally cool.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 20, 2016, 02:32:55 pm
I just checked out the MARVEL solits.  Wow....I don't think you could even give me free MARVEL comics at this point.  I'm not even saying they look that bad....I'm just saying that personally, I'm out.  Nothing there interests me in the least. 

As I've said a zillion times, I have so many back issues that I need that I don't even care.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 20, 2016, 02:54:54 pm
So Hulk is getting relaunched with Jen Walters as the star.

Hawkeye is getting release with the chick from Young Avengers as the star.

Yeah, Marvel is killing it (and not in a good way). Both of these books may end up being great, but with everything else that they are doing -- it just smacks of an editorial directive.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 20, 2016, 04:00:23 pm
It's a fair trade off.  I've loved comics for decades, and they've been a lot of fun.  Things change, but my tastes did not.  There are still plenty of books out there for me to get, but no new MARVEL, that's for damned sure.  Is it me?  Is it them?  Does it matter?  Nope.

More and more lately, I feel like Captain America ( as in Steve Rogers )....I feel like a man from a completely different time. 



Again...I'm not even complaining.  Just saying the way I feel.  [whistle]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on September 20, 2016, 08:56:48 pm
The new slew of #1's didn't impress me much.  I didn't think I'd ever say this, but Marvel really needs to take a page from DC.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 20, 2016, 09:47:39 pm
I think I said this before, but perhaps there's too much focus on the Movies and not on the comics?  Maybe I'm just older and different.  I know I'm stuck in the past, and I'm the first to admit it. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 20, 2016, 09:51:18 pm
We've all been saying it since before the 'Mess.  Tell good stories about interesting characters and fans will buy.  It really is that simple.  There is a huge amount of event fatigue amongst people who read mainstream (Marvel/DC Universe) comics.  DC has taken a step back from that (for now anyway).  Marvel seriously needs to reevaluate that approach.  

Events become redundant when done every year.  Now Marvel is recycling previous events.  Bad formula.      


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on September 23, 2016, 10:07:09 am
Good Lord! Tony Stark's parentage is called into question (well, changed actually). This is the kinda crap that makes me not want to read modern comics. Tony was always the spitting image of his dad. Now his dad looks like a character on Mad Man -- so that means he must have had a different father?! Is this really necessary?

http://www.cbr.com/tony-stark-meets-his-birth-mom-readers-learn-his-dad-was-spoiler/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 23, 2016, 11:40:16 pm
Good stories with good art with classic characters and they will come.

You want a female Hawkeye, Black Spider-Man, Chinese Hulk, then fine, just do it in a secondary title.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 24, 2016, 10:58:15 am
Usually when I go to the LCS on Wed, I'll flip through some Marvels and indie comics just to keep an eye on what's out there.  Didn't pick up one Marvel this week.  Just didn't see a thing that caught my eye. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 17, 2016, 11:20:56 am
Iceman is finally getting his own solo series. He's had, I believe, two mini-series. One from the 1980s was rather lackluster. The more recent one (early 2000s maybe) was more promising, but didn't lead to an ongoing.

I really haven't been following X-titles -- but Bobby Drake's outing was a somewhat of a media event for Marvel. Wasn't crazy about that, but as long as they haven't turned him into a character who is sulking or self-pitying, then I'm okay with it.

The announcement doesn't state which version of Bobby will be in the series -- could be both, I guess.  If this is a fun, high-energy series with decent art -- I'll probably give it a try. If it's more of the same (infighting X-Men, everyone hates mutants, etc. -- I'll pass).


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on October 17, 2016, 01:45:12 pm
Oh yeah....I forgot they turned him Gay.  FAMILY GUY called it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJvh5eUn6Xs


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 19, 2016, 04:36:48 am
If it's more of the same (infighting X-Men, everyone hates mutants, etc. -- I'll pass).

Y'know....the whole everyone hates mutants thing ran its course and is now the definition of flogging a dead horse. Making it worse is the new "Mutants hate Inhumans" thing.....cos' it's great that after being on the receiving end for so long mutants have become so tolerant and understanding.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 19, 2016, 07:31:07 am
http://www.newsarama.com/31593-marvel-comics-january-2017-solicitations.html

Foolkiller?  Prowler?  Deadpool v Howard the Duck?  Really?

There's a stack of Solo's on the shelf at the LCS from last week that doesn't look as though it's been touched.

I'm beginning to wonder if Marvel is in such disarray internally that no one can get a handle on this slide, or if they don't care anymore because everything else (TV, movies, merchandise sales) is doing so well? 

I'm not a Marvel guy and I haven't been in 25 years, but it doesn't mean I want to see them crash and burn.  I do understand that there are some gems in the coal pile, but event fatigue seems to be setting in along with a "throw it against the wall and see if it sticks" mentality.  It's as bad as all the DiDio micromanagement.     


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 19, 2016, 09:43:56 am
Yeah, giving everyone from Deadpool's Mercs their own series seemed foolhardy.  Prowler had some legit exposure in Amazing Spider-Man prior to his launch, but it'll likely get lost in the noise.  On the other hand some of their offbeat titles (Squirrel Girl, Howard the Duck, Moon Girl, etc.) may not be great sellers but they're definitely pulling in some non-traditional readers.  The letters pages are filled with young girls reading and dressing up as their favorite.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 19, 2016, 10:38:45 am
That is cool.  But there's a certain amount commercial success and viability that's needed.  Your heavy hitters need to be strong.  If they're not, all the Moon Knights and Squirrel Girls won't matter much in the end.  Bendis, Waid, and Lemire can't be everywhere either.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 19, 2016, 12:43:14 pm
Bendis, Waid, and Lemire aren't that powerhouse of a line-up either.  In my mind Aaron is the only one on fire at Marvel right now.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on October 19, 2016, 01:30:24 pm
I am completely and totally out of touch with damn near everything.  The only comic I saw that interested me was an issue of CAP/Sam that had the new FALCON and RAGE on the cover.

I don't even have any kind of point.  I'm just babbling.... [crazy]

Truthfully, in these crazy Overly-Political Correct times we live in, I'm surprised they aren't doing stories involving Mutants and Inhumans having groupies.  I mean...nowadays, we have more people than ever trying to make unisex clothes, trying to ignore race, religion, and gender, so it seems like some of that craziness should reflect in the comics.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 19, 2016, 02:00:56 pm
On my weekly trip to the LCS this week, the most interesting Marvel Comics I saw were the Son of Satan and Dr. Strange trades.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 19, 2016, 03:34:55 pm
I realised that I'm enjoying Dan Slott's work on Amazing Spider-Man and Silver Surfer. At first I thought the idea Peter having his own company was a bit silly, but they've done every other story to death and it's been pretty solid so far.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 20, 2016, 11:45:29 am
On my weekly trip to the LCS this week, the most interesting Marvel Comics I saw were the Son of Satan and Dr. Strange trades.

I'm on board for SOS. Not sure what is included in the Dr. Strange trade, but will probably wait for the Masterworks of those tales.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 24, 2016, 10:30:48 am
Well this is promising!

Two new X-men titles -- X-Men: Gold and X-Men: Blue.

"These new titles won’t cast the X-Men as members of a species fighting for their survival but rather as big, bright, colorful super heroes who want to demonstrate to the world that they want to walk with them hand-in-hand into the future. They’ll have costumes with capes, a school, and softball games. Oh, there will be softball games. The goal is to tell exciting new X-Men stories while keeping an eye on the tropes and touchstones that longtime X-Men fans cherish."

http://www.newsarama.com/31674-x-men-blue-gold-back-in-two-new-2017-ongoing-titles.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 24, 2016, 11:10:29 am
It definitely feels like a Rebirth attempt.  I'm hopeful.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on October 24, 2016, 11:59:54 am
Well that's certainly interesting.

 [popcorn]


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 24, 2016, 04:26:58 pm
Thank fuck.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: powersthatbe on October 24, 2016, 05:44:19 pm
my LCD shop guy was having a big anniversary sale last week,most of his figures were 10 bucks,old legends and some DC but I bought Essentials Dr.Strange vol.2 for 5 bucks.Dr Strange was one marvel book I never got into as a kid.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on November 10, 2016, 09:37:45 pm
It's a weird thing.  There's an awesome comic store here called literally The Comic Store.  It is filled to busting with books, toys, posters, statues, etc.  Sooo many long boxes, just jam packed with books.  I could easily spend a whole day there.

Not surprisingly, the few young comic readers I know prefer this other shop that pretty much only sells new books.  I was in there once and literally saw nothing I wanted.

Christ....I'm a dinosaur.  [think]



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 12, 2016, 09:14:01 pm
I'm really hoping there's a hugely positive reception to the planned X-Relaunch. Fuck knows they need some cheer in those books. If it's successful, maybe Marvel will apply it to other lines too.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: powersthatbe on November 12, 2016, 09:45:51 pm
that's a needed change in the "X" books.For years the books were just too pessimistic in tone.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 13, 2016, 09:53:26 pm
I'd be genuinely interested to see if someone could pull off an optimistic Cable book.  Casey and Ladronn we're probably the closest.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 21, 2016, 03:32:11 pm
Thanos #1 was pretty good. I think Lemire has a pretty good take on the cosmic side of things. Was nice to see Starfox again and Champion is someone I thought I'd never see again. Deodato's art has been pretty solid since he stopped paying 13 year old Brazilian kids to ink his pages and do his finishes.

If you're not reading the Clone Conspiracy in the Amazing Spider-Man title and the mini-series, don't let the title put you off, it's good stuff. The Jackal is totally fucking with Peter.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 22, 2016, 10:09:45 am
I've been down on Slott since the Black Cat got punched in the mouth and went totally bonkers.

But I do like Deodato's work -- great use of shadows, and the previewed pages looked good, so will pick up Thanos #1 if I find a copy.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on November 28, 2016, 03:35:10 pm
So the blue and gold teams have been announced. Twice monthly publishing.

One team is led by Magneto, supported by the 5 time displaced X-men. Easy pass for me.

The other team is led by Kitty and is supported by Colossus, Storm, Old Man Logan, Rachel Grey (aka Prestige) and Nightcrawler. Good stuff, we're Rogue and Psylocke away from me being a happy camper.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on November 28, 2016, 10:14:04 pm
I missed the twice monthly part.  The creative teams didn't wow me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on November 29, 2016, 11:36:15 am
I'm more inclined to check out the team with the 'orginal' X-Men, but can't say that either book appears to be a must-read for me.

This is off-topic, but I was looking at Marvel's 2017 wall calendar. Another year without a Fantastic Four or X-Men cover.  Honestly, the covers selected for next year are kinda drab -- so I'll have to find another theme  (maybe classic Star Trek) to hang on the wall.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 21, 2016, 06:37:35 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/12/21/will-the-final-issue-of-civil-war-ii-8-have-the-greatest-tease-of-all-massive-honking-spoilers/

Marvel's "Crisis/Rebirth"?  Great lineup of artists anyway. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 21, 2016, 06:51:28 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/12/21/will-the-final-issue-of-civil-war-ii-8-have-the-greatest-tease-of-all-massive-honking-spoilers/

Marvel's "Crisis/Rebirth"?  Great lineup of artists anyway. 

I'm sure this will rock the Marvel Universe to its' very core and nothing will ever be the same again.....until next year.

Cap ain't Cap
Iron Man ain't Iron Man
Thor ain't Thor
Wolverine is dead
Hulk is dead

Rock on Marvel!



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 21, 2016, 07:21:12 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/12/21/will-the-final-issue-of-civil-war-ii-8-have-the-greatest-tease-of-all-massive-honking-spoilers/

Marvel's "Crisis/Rebirth"?  Great lineup of artists anyway. 

Nah, this is par for the course with Marvel: preview the next set of storylines at the end of your event.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 21, 2016, 07:37:40 pm
To set up the next event?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on December 22, 2016, 08:43:02 pm
Always


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 23, 2016, 05:04:54 pm
Decided I'm pretty much done with new comics, and I don't think anything coming out after Civil War II is likely to change my mind.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 23, 2016, 07:21:48 pm
Decided I'm pretty much done with new comics, and I don't think anything coming out after Civil War II is likely to change my mind.

While the latest Avengers series doesn't feature my dream line-up, it is written by Mark Waid who still "gets it". The current storyline featuring Kang and his assorted incarnations feels very old school and I'm digging it.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on December 25, 2016, 03:42:52 pm
Decided I'm pretty much done with new comics, and I don't think anything coming out after Civil War II is likely to change my mind.

While the latest Avengers series doesn't feature my dream line-up, it is written by Mark Waid who still "gets it". The current storyline featuring Kang and his assorted incarnations feels very old school and I'm digging it.

I put the second issue in my box for the next visit. I actually do like the Waid/Kitson Avengers.1 series -- a modern retelling of the Kooky Quartet era. But I'm really grasping for straws at this point. Not giving up on the hobby completely -- just rearranging priorities.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on January 11, 2017, 10:19:22 am
This is why it's increasingly difficult to read a Marvel comic book.


http://www.newsarama.com/32678-guardians-of-the-galaxy-relaunches-with-closer-ties-to-upcoming-movie-sequel.html


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 11, 2017, 10:33:36 pm
The relaunching every few issues is getting ridiculous.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on January 12, 2017, 12:48:58 am
Nowadays, it seems like it's all about who they can draw in for just a brief time.  It's deliberate marketing to today's Hyper-Active, Attention-Deficit, What's-the-Next-New-Thing? Hipster crowd.

They have to try to get a person who just saw the movie to buy a comic book.  Granted, that person will have forgotten about the movie 3 days later, but who cares?  Everything is now, NOW, NOW!!!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: KOLOBOSREXX on February 15, 2017, 03:37:27 pm
...Mannn... MARVEL has been a sore point for me for MONTHS... Other than the self-contained "Moon Knight" run, nothing else interests me... It's just gimmick leading into even, leading into gimmick into event!! >:(  And then there is the blatant PANDERING... Look, Marvel was the FIRST company to place an emphasis on diversity, strong female characters, and metaphors for "real-world issues"...  But they have, IMHO, gone TOO FAR, in trying to cater to the oppressive, attention-starved "SJW/Tumbler" crowd... And with the guys they have writing & editing, plus the outcome of last years' election... It's just getting WORSE.  There's nothing wrong with Sam Wilson, Miles Morales, Kamela Khan, or Jane Foster... But use these characters the way asshats like Nick Spencer does, strictly as mouthpieces for a very obvious personal socio-political agenda... And then COMICS JUST AREN'T FUN ANY MORE!!  AND it's NOT helping sales, because DC is PULVERIZING Marvel in sales.  The crowd of "socially conscientious hipsters" that Marvel claims they support DON'T EVEN READ THEIR BOOKS, and in fact now want to BOYCOTT MARVEL Because its CEO supports Trump!!  I won't even bother to cite all of the white-hating, man-bashing, "social justice" examples their books are rife with lately, you can find 'em all online, lol!  Allegedly though, we are getting a return to something of a status quo with "Secret Empire"... Time will tell!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 16, 2017, 04:59:29 am
Marvel stuff I'm enjoying...

Moon Knight
Punisher
Silver Surfer (as it comes and goes)
Champions
Mighty Thor
Unworthy Thor
Old Man Logan (Sorrentino's art is breathtaking)
Nova
Avengers (Waid's current Kang storyline is very clever)
All the Star Wars titles


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 16, 2017, 07:02:09 am
Spencer's stuff is way too political, and his stories just lack a sense of fun in general. I don't think he's really good for comics.

fms -- I'm currently on board for Waid's Avengers. Didn't like the art at first (though I do like the artist -- just didn't think it was appropriate for an Avengers series), but I've changed my mind. Nice to see Hercule, but I really want Sam Wilson to go back to being the Falcon, and I would prefer Janet Pym over Nadia Pym.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: powersthatbe on February 27, 2017, 04:07:39 pm
So there's a Hulkerine in the works now at marvel? :-\


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 27, 2017, 08:40:16 pm
So there's a Hulkerine in the works now at marvel? :-\

I don't honestly understand the hate I've seen online for this? It could just be a short term thing for a storyline. We've seen composite Batman/Superman before and no one balks at that.

The amount of vitriol I've seen directed at Marvel for having X-23, Jane Foster Thor, Cap Falcon, Riri/Iron Heart, etc, is really kind of odd when you think that DC has been doing it for decades with all the extensions of their Batman, Superman, Shazam, etc, families.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: powersthatbe on February 27, 2017, 08:55:41 pm
I think when fans first hear it it sounds silly then you get used to it.Is it any sillier then General Ross becoming a Hulk of a different color?It makes sense storywise,why wouldn't the bad guys combine the powers of the hulk and wolverine to make a super weapon?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on February 27, 2017, 09:32:31 pm
So there's a Hulkerine in the works now at marvel? :-\

I don't honestly understand the hate I've seen online for this? It could just be a short term thing for a storyline. We've seen composite Batman/Superman before and no one balks at that.

The amount of vitriol I've seen directed at Marvel for having X-23, Jane Foster Thor, Cap Falcon, Riri/Iron Heart, etc, is really kind of odd when you think that DC has been doing it for decades with all the extensions of their Batman, Superman, Shazam, etc, families.

I'm kind of a student of this.  DC has been doing this somewhat organically, even outside of the whole sidekick thing for decades.  Infinity Inc. started in 1984 when Roy Thomas formalized the whole generational aspect of superheroing.  A year later, it became mainstream when the JSA and II formally entered the "mainline" DCU.  And it caught fire since then.  And yeah, there has been some gender and race bending, but not nearly as forced as the way Marvel has done it.  For the most part, DC managed to make Legacy fun.  Marvel pushed square pegs into round holes.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on February 27, 2017, 10:08:28 pm
Anyone remember the Sons of the Tiger?  A black guy, a white guy, and an Asian guy got supernatural abilities from three amulets.  They were all killed and an Hispanic guy found the amulets and became the White Tiger.  Apparently, that wasn't good enough for the PC crowd and White Tiger became a woman. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on February 27, 2017, 10:36:20 pm
I've said before that I think MARVEL should do a series of books where all Heroes and Villains are gender swapped.  Just have it be an alternate universe.  Do it as a limited series, and if it sells well enough, make it ongoing.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 28, 2017, 06:10:54 am
So there's a Hulkerine in the works now at marvel? :-\

I don't honestly understand the hate I've seen online for this? It could just be a short term thing for a storyline. We've seen composite Batman/Superman before and no one balks at that.

The amount of vitriol I've seen directed at Marvel for having X-23, Jane Foster Thor, Cap Falcon, Riri/Iron Heart, etc, is really kind of odd when you think that DC has been doing it for decades with all the extensions of their Batman, Superman, Shazam, etc, families.

It's not odd because Marvel has been ramming down our throats in a more compressed time period. Could there be a good storyline behind it -- maybe?  But I won't be reading to find out.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on February 28, 2017, 06:13:35 am
Anyone remember the Sons of the Tiger?  A black guy, a white guy, and an Asian guy got supernatural abilities from three amulets.  They were all killed and an Hispanic guy found the amulets and became the White Tiger.  Apparently, that wasn't good enough for the PC crowd and White Tiger became a woman. 

Were they killed? I know that long after the first White Tiger debuted, one of its members -- Bob Diamond, I believe -- used to be a sparring partner with Danny Rand. He could have been killed since, and I don't know what became of the other two. There was an Asian female member as well, but I don't think she had an amulet.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 01, 2017, 03:09:31 pm
The female White Tiger is the niece of the original (Hector). She was picked up for the Spidey animated series to add some diversity. DC would never *cough cough Miss Martian cough cough* do that though.

When I mentioned the vitriol, it was the internet turdburgers who decried everything Marvel does as crap because they read on Facebook that Cap was revealed as a Hydra agent. They didn't read the story, probably haven't read new comics in years, but suddenly it was all "Marvel has the lost the plot". It's the same people who want the same dozen stories rewritten over and over again.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on March 01, 2017, 09:26:16 pm
Spencer lost me from both Cap books. Just too politically-charged -- an not fun to read whatsoever. Honestly, it's difficult to read a book where Cap is a Hydra agent. I guess Spencer is trying to get across the point that anyone can be bad if they are raised that way -- but I'm hoping Cap can still overcome the cube's influence. But I'll have to find out second hand -- dropped those books.

I know that nothing coming out is going to be as enjoyable for me as stuff I read as a kid, but I do wish the tone of the comics wasn't always so damn bleak!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: powersthatbe on March 01, 2017, 09:52:34 pm
yeah I picked up a sam Wilson book right after the last one which featured misty knight which I enjoyed,regretted the next issue and only picked up a few of the cap books.wary of all these "mini series" feel to marvel comics,i didn't even bother to pick up one issue of the monsters unleashed books.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 04, 2017, 03:16:29 pm
I laughed....

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/03/03/bleeding-cool-readers-guide-understanding-marvels-legacy-numbers/


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on March 05, 2017, 06:20:17 pm
The joke at the end of the article....I made practically the same joke on another message board once.  I basically said that almost everybody needs to destroy their HE-MAN collection if they expect them to be worth a lot of money in 30 or 40 years.  How can they be valuable if thousands of people have several of each figure mint on card, stored away in airtight containers??  Somebody has to make the sacrifice!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on March 09, 2017, 02:01:30 pm
So I picked up issue number 15 of both Squadron Supreme and Scarlet Witch -- both written by Jame Robinson. Both series had their moments, but SS never really got off the ground after its initial arc. I'm not sure the team had a purpose -- and never seemed like much of a team. I think a classic lineup would have been a bit more fun -- despite my fondness for having Thundra as the Wondr Woman counterpart (I thought she always should have been -- as Power Princess was not a very inspired doppleganger).

Scarlet Witch was .... different. Wanda was much more attuned to witchcraft in this than she ever has been in the past. Agatha Harkness got a new personality -- and a second life. To date, it's never been exactly revealed how she was killed -- though she did say that Wanda was to blame. The Aja covers were beautiful -- but the interior art ran the gamut of really good -- to piss poor. Will be interesting to see if she gets attached to an Avengers book -- as the final page seemed to indicate.

That leaves Dr. Strange, Waid's Avengers and Thanos as the only Marvel books on my pull list.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 09, 2017, 08:23:07 pm
Squadron Supreme is a valiant effort, but it's confusing. I realise it's a Squadron made up of members from different realities, but as such there's no attachment to them. All the while I wonder 'my' Hyperion is?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on March 10, 2017, 06:31:14 am
This was Hickman's Hyperion -- I think. Apparently the rest of the classic Squadron is dead except for Power Princess -- who was depowered by Warrior Woman of the Squadron Sinister. I imagine we'll see the classic group back at some point -- possibly from another parallel time.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on March 10, 2017, 09:47:38 am
I think the Squadron has suffered from too many reboots to the point of incoherence.  Scarlet Witch has been fun as a series of stand alone stories, but you're right about the rotating artists being hit and miss.  I don't think there's a way around that though with the anthology style.  You won't like everything.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 18, 2017, 08:13:55 am
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/05/17/twenty-not-canceled-marvel-titles-get-marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-variants-august/

I really try not to bash Marvel (too much), but when I see stuff like this, it just shines a beacon on the disconnect they seem to have with comic fans and retailers.  This is not helpful to the publishing end of things, although I do understand that Marvel is gonna make a boatload of money from the game.

 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 19, 2017, 02:22:34 am
I pay no attention to variants at all. If a cover has a couple of choices on the shelf I'll pick the one I like. I won't pay more than cover price because it's a "variant".

You want to talk about a disconnect......Marvel treated She-Hulk comics like a running joke for years.......then Jen gets serious in the new Hulk book and we're five issues in and She-Hulk hasn't appeared once.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 19, 2017, 06:42:52 pm
I pay no attention to variants at all. If a cover has a couple of choices on the shelf I'll pick the one I like. I won't pay more than cover price because it's a "variant".

You want to talk about a disconnect......Marvel treated She-Hulk comics like a running joke for years.......then Jen gets serious in the new Hulk book and we're five issues in and She-Hulk hasn't appeared once.

Seriously?  Not even the angry gray She-Hulk from the promo art?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 19, 2017, 10:11:11 pm
I pay no attention to variants at all. If a cover has a couple of choices on the shelf I'll pick the one I like. I won't pay more than cover price because it's a "variant".

You want to talk about a disconnect......Marvel treated She-Hulk comics like a running joke for years.......then Jen gets serious in the new Hulk book and we're five issues in and She-Hulk hasn't appeared once.

Seriously?  Not even the angry gray She-Hulk from the promo art?

Nope.

She-Hulk in various incarnations is on every cover, but has yet to appear inside. It was strongly suggested she might finally appear in the next issue (six). But y'know, it just shows how out of touch the editors are with fans. And by that I mean this is the new Marvel. Editors come up with the stories and writers get paid to put words in the speech bubbles.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on May 19, 2017, 10:46:10 pm
Wow.  I knew lots of folks weren't fans of the direction as solicited, but yikes.  I wonder how sales are doing.  (Checked it out: 101st in April with a Comichron estimate of 22k).  I'm surprised it's selling that well.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 16, 2017, 06:48:42 am
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/15/fantastic-four-52-cgc-94-sets-record-grade-first-black-panther/

So a graded copy of Fantastic Four #52 just sold for 12 grand.  FA of Black Panther.  I'm sure it's a nice book to have, but like the article says, is this a bet on the movie?  I'd like to think so.   


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: KOLOBOSREXX on June 16, 2017, 03:42:27 pm
...Marvel's comic-sales are in the TOILET! :D  They blame the "fans" for "not liking diversity or female characters", when the REAL issue is, Most Folks just want to READ COMICS FOR FUN, not be proselytized to by Leftist/GWL-wack-jobs like Nick Spencer, Dan Slott, ect.  The New Ms. Marvel & Miles Morales Spidey, for example, WERE fun... Until their writers turned them into a political mouthpiece/whiny schlep who can't handle being "The Second Spider-Man", respectively!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 17, 2017, 12:19:30 pm
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/17/marvel-to-publish-previews-spotlight-for-generations-and-offer-major-retailer-discounts/

So for my Marvel oriented friends, do you think this begins to right the ship for Marvel?  Can't say as I have an opinion yet either way. 

I will say that the existence of Legacy characters has always rung a bit more true from DC.  Most of the time, Marvel Legacy characters almost seem like placeholders. 

YMMV.   


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on June 18, 2017, 07:49:43 am
I am still on a break from reading current Marvel books. However, I have used the last few years to get back into collecting back issues. The early '80s from Marvel is my favorite and it is the era that I first started reading comics. I found a comic shop on my last work trip that had an extensive selection of $1 back issues that fit my search criteria. I have been enjoying reading old Iron Man books with Bob Layton art, Fantastic Four by John Byrne and Thor by Walt Simonson. It's been great. One book that I found was underrated is the first 24 issues of Alpha Flight by John Byrne. Also, the New Defenders had some beautiful covers in the mid-80s. Anyways, this has been an enjoyable way for me to still support local comic shops and get books that I know I will enjoy.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 18, 2017, 04:03:12 pm
I picked up Iceman this week. I don't agree with the decision to make him suddenly gay (and I hate the scuba shorty he's using for his 'costume'), but I've always felt Iceman had potential as a solo character. Hopefully, I still recognize the character I've always liked before he was 'outed'.

Still picking up Dr. Strange, but will probably drop it shortly after Aaron and Bachalo leave -- I think 20 was their final issue -- and 21 was in my pull box. I didn't love this run, but it was creative and had its moments. I can do without seeing Dr. Strange eating a plate of eye balls and tentacles though. Didn't find the librarian chick interesting in the slightest! Why can't Clea be a full-time supporting character?

Phil Noto is not a good pick for an Avengers artist. Boring!

Page through issues 1-4 of Secret Empire. Didn't inspire me to buy any --- though issue 0 was okay.

Defenders? No - Marvel Knights? Yep. Am I buying it -- nope.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 22, 2017, 03:49:34 pm
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/22/marvel-promies-marvel-legacy-will-effect-every-hero-every-title-every-story-announced-tomorrow/

Looking back, we all had some healthy skepticism over Rebirth when it was announced.  I'll forgo that here and give Marvel the benefit of the doubt.  As I've aged, live and let live has become more important.  Also I recognize that for the comic industry to thrive, both Marvel and DC have to be healthy.  Here's to hoping this works.   [beer]  Even though I probably won't be buying.  DC is throwing everything and the kitchen sink at me at the moment.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on June 26, 2017, 09:14:24 am
DC's rebirth is taking a godawful time to get anywhere, IMHO. How long was it that they started teasing Legion and JSA? Sheesh!

But to get back on topic -- a new Spirits of Vengeance title -- with Daimon Hellstrom, his sister Satan, Johnny Blaze and Blade. I'll give it a try. I liked the 90s Hellstorm series -- and was disappointed when Warren Ellis's Satana series got cancelled before it was ever published.

https://www.newsarama.com/35077-marvel-legacy-line-up-gets-bigger-with-more-titles.html#s4


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on June 26, 2017, 03:00:18 pm
But to get back on topic -- a new Spirits of Vengeance title -- with Daimon Hellstrom, his sister Satan, Johnny Blaze and Blade. I'll give it a try.

Yes, that title interested me, too.  It's so off the wall that it's cool.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 26, 2017, 03:54:33 pm
So for my Marvel oriented friends, do you think this begins to right the ship for Marvel?  Can't say as I have an opinion yet either way. 

One of the biggest issues is the mouthbreeders that inhabit places like facebook. I'm a member of a group that discusses comics pre-1986. If someone dares mention a current storyline at, say, Marvel, it's universally condemned immediately with some uncomfortable levels of hatred.

I didn't like New52. But I at least tried it. I didn't like Rebith, but I at least tried it. Down to four titles (soon to be three, from 18 pre-52).



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 26, 2017, 10:29:17 pm
I get it.  But I'm still enjoying Rebirth.  A whole lot more than New 52.  Not really even in the same league.

As all those homage covers came out last Friday with very little useful information about any of the titles or creative teams, the whole thing struck me as the next gimmick.  I think Marvel really has lost the plot now.   


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 27, 2017, 01:09:09 am
I get it.  But I'm still enjoying Rebirth.  A whole lot more than New 52.  Not really even in the same league.

As all those homage covers came out last Friday with very little useful information about any of the titles or creative teams, the whole thing struck me as the next gimmick.  I think Marvel really has lost the plot now.   

Well they are trying to right the ship by bringing back their mainstays. I get the need for diversity and I'm thoroughly enjoying the results of those decisions (Champions is a solid, fun book), but there's only one Cap, Wolverine and Hulk for me. I'm all for Falcon, Laura/X-23 and Amadeus Cho to stick around, but not at the expense of characters I've grown up with.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on June 27, 2017, 11:05:22 am
The lack of information - or seeming plan - is disturbing.  It's possible there is a play, but the hype machine is doling it out in dribbles.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on June 27, 2017, 11:10:33 am
One of the biggest issues is the mouthbreeders that inhabit places like facebook. I'm a member of a group that discusses comics pre-1986. If someone dares mention a current storyline at, say, Marvel, it's universally condemned immediately with some uncomfortable levels of hatred.

That's not cool.  God knows I'm stuck in the past, but I don't ever want to be 'that guy'.  Even though I haven't bought a Modern MARVEL or DC title in ages, I still follow the solits and try to keep a general feel of what's going on, even if I don't care for it.  If somebody loves what's going on with Modern MARVEL, then good for them. 

It's like NICKELBACK.  I can't stand them and I'm happy to talk about it with other people who hate them, but if I happen to come across a person who likes them, then I let it drop.  Why piss in their cereal?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 27, 2017, 05:55:58 pm
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/27/marvel-schedules-conference-call-with-comicspro-comic-stores-over-marvel-legacy-concern/

I understand that scores of people (most of us included as well as myself, resident DC apologist), were skeptical of Rebirth along with a lot of retailers and the "fan press".  Seems that's happening all over again.  DC had to prove themselves.  I, for one, am still enjoying Rebirth as we head into year 2. 

I just have to think that "Legacy" is really not what Marvel is known for.  DC's Families go back to the 40's.  Legacy characters go back to the 50's.  The generational aspect was explored in the 60's with the Teen Titans and again in the 80's with Infinity Inc.  After the Crisis in 1985, Legacy was "baked in" to the DCU.  New 52 removed it.  Now New 52 is being removed and Legacy returned. 

And now Marvel wants to stake a Legacy claim?  Don't think so Scooter.               


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on June 27, 2017, 08:44:56 pm
Also, it doesn't help that MARVEL forces a lot of it's diversity. 

It kind of reminds me of Reality Competition shows.  Just because somebody wins a show, it doesn't mean they are an instant Super Star.  They haven't worked as hard and earned it like a lot of artists that struggled and rose up from nothing.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 29, 2017, 06:50:51 pm
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/29/marvel-legacy-a-stopgap-before-the-next-relaunch-comicspro-retailer-conference-call-breaks-out/

This makes my brain ache.  And I don't read Marvel. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 30, 2017, 02:51:39 am
Ta-Nehisi Coates is writing Captain America? Well I won't make it to double figures. His Black Panther is boring as fuck.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on June 30, 2017, 09:05:16 pm
Ta-Nehisi Coates is writing Captain America? Well I won't make it to double figures.

Probably doesn't matter.  I'm sure that a relaunch and New #1 issues are right around the corner.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kavball on July 12, 2017, 06:25:53 pm
I picked up the Squadron Supreme TPB by Mark Gruenwald on sale at my LCS last week. I forgot how much I liked his work. The art in it is pretty good also. It's a fun read and an oldy but goody.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on July 13, 2017, 12:26:46 am
Ta-Nehisi Coates is writing Captain America? Well I won't make it to double figures.

Probably doesn't matter.  I'm sure that a relaunch and New #1 issues are right around the corner.

Well if they go back to legacy numbering then my OCD will have me pick it up regardless  >:(


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 01, 2017, 05:59:57 pm
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/09/01/every-story-event-marvel-legacy-trailer/

Is it just me or does Brevoort have the most punchable face in comics?

Legacy sounds like a stop-gap-shit-show. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 01, 2017, 09:04:44 pm
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/09/01/every-story-event-marvel-legacy-trailer/

Is it just me or does Brevoort have the most punchable face in comics?

Legacy sounds like a stop-gap-shit-show. 

Anyone remember when just one person pulled the strings at Marvel? Jim Shooter has many detractors, but when he was in charge for that decade, the comics were pretty fun.
Now, there's so many suits and levels involved, no wonder it's a fucking debacle.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 01, 2017, 09:32:02 pm
At DC you at least know who's in charge.  Or at least the structure.  Nelson/Johns, DiDio/Lee, and that flunky Harras. 

And my assumption is that of them all, Johns has taken creative control along with DiDio as his balance.  That's why Rebirth and Metal are running side by side.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 03, 2017, 10:22:58 pm
Disclaimer:  I am somewhat uncomfortable doing this.  What is this?  A mini review of Marvel Legacy #1.  And I'm uncomfortable because most of you know I'm not the biggest Marvel fan alive.  So with all the objectivity I can muster, here goes:

I grudgingly liked (some of) it.  That is not to say it's without it's flaws.  The opening sequence drives me nuts.  The Avengers 1,000,000 BC is pretty fucking stupid.  Mostly since the species we evolved from weren't remotely human a million years ago.  And the ancient/modern analogues were just offensive.  Not racially or anything, but to my intelligence.  Oh, and the bit about fighting a Celestial...why not call up some Eternals to help out?  But hey, that's just me.  I also remember why I hate Wolverine so much.  And it looks like Marvel is about to recycle another event.  But other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln? 

What did I like?  Marvel's Trinity in absentia.  Great character moments between Sam, Jane, and Riri.  Loki trying to be a hero.  The protracted hero fight between two unlikely antagonists of Ghost Rider and Starbrand.  And maybe getting a new Starbrand who's not quite as big of a douche as the last one.  I liked Ben and Johnny's scene.  And Dr. Strange' shrubbery. 

Doubt I'll go any further than this.  Took me five days to decide to buy it and another two to getting around to reading it.  I think this book would've benefitted greatly from a more experienced hand like Mark Waid.  If this was indeed Marvel's Rebirth, it needed something more to tie it together. 

As always, YMMV.  [thumbs up]         


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 05, 2017, 09:16:02 am
That's too bad.  Aaron is a great, great writer - but something like this is almost a no-win situation.  He has to setup a relaunch, but there's nothing centrally tying it together like Dr. Manhatten and there aren't big changes like Rebirth getting back to the roots.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 05, 2017, 11:30:58 am
There is a theme.  But it's recycled.  The Sleeping Celestial gonna call down the Fourth Host to destroy Earth.  When's Galactus coming back after he promised not to for the 20th time?  This is not the game changer that Marvel needed.

I'll tell you what I think is needed when I get off this phone.  Like you care or something.  ;)


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 05, 2017, 11:50:30 am
I have the caring.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on October 05, 2017, 02:44:03 pm
I'll tell you what I think is needed when I get off this phone.  Like you care or something.  ;)

Even though I buy read almost no current MARVEL, I'm always interested in your opinion, GARD. 






Can I borrow 50 bucks?  ( I kid, I kid )


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 05, 2017, 03:50:25 pm
Simply put, Marvel needs a "game changer".  Something that changes the way we jaded fans look at them.  The product has become rather stale.  I'm not downing Marvel and promoting DC in what I'm about to say.  This is not a "versus" suggestion or comment. 

DC is and always has been a company hammered together.  Round pegs in square holes.  Copious amounts of duct tape, baling wire, bubble gum and spit hold it together.  And that's just it's formation when Detective, National, and All American came together to form DC in the 30s/40's.  After that, Quality, Fawcett, Charlton, and Wildstorm were all brought into the DCU as well as some other temporary additions such as Red Circle and Milestone.  Lots of different characters from different viewpoints.  Plus the whole continuous tearing down and rebuilding of continuity has made DC a very interesting bowl of "stew".  To me anyway.

Marvel as we know it was formed by a small handful of writers and a core of artists.  I'm talking the building blocks of what we now know as the Marvel Universe.  Of course it's much bigger now, but almost everything being done now is these guys standing on the shoulders of Stan, Jack, Roy, Steve, JRS, etc.  DC does much the same BTW, it's just a broader, deeper foundation.  Now to my point.

Marvel needs new blood (characters).  Since most creators are now hip pocketing any new characters/concepts they may come up with to monetize later, I'm referring to the Ultraverse, Crossgen, and the Marvels. 

Ultraverse is difficult.  But Disney is a company that you can't swing a dead cat around and not hit a lawyer.  I'm sure if they wanted to, they could untangle the Ultraverse rights and not break the bank doing so.  Ultraverse creators would get a nice chunk of change and the MU would get several dozen much needed new characters.

Crossgen should be easy.  Disney already owns them.  Pretty interesting stuff.  Especially Crux and Negaton. 

Marvel spent an enormous amount of time and money acquiring the rights to Miracle/Marvel Man.  Introducing this mythology into the MU is the "Watchmen moment" Marvel is looking for.  It is the game changer.  Ultraverse/Crossgen could be done as a simple "Invasion Angle".  Wrestling fans will know of what I speak.  Marvel Man has to be crafted into the MU.  Slowly, methodically.  An event that it deserves.  And you have to walk the fine line where he can go back to his own continuity too. 

And Bendis can't go anywhere near this.             


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 05, 2017, 04:41:23 pm
And to clarify if I may:  When I say Marvel needs new characters, there aren't any qualifiers.  Black, Asian, female, gay, trans...whatever.  Marvel needs new, interesting characters unconnected to their primary mythology.  That's where the staleness comes from.  DC can do legacy all day and twice on Sundays because it's an organic outgrowth of having characters that go back nearly three generations.  Marvel's legacies have always felt forced for the most part. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on October 05, 2017, 05:48:48 pm
I'm on the outside, but I still want to contribute.

And to clarify if I may:  When I say Marvel needs new characters, there aren't any qualifiers.  Black, Asian, female, gay, trans...whatever.  Marvel needs new, interesting characters unconnected to their primary mythology.  That's where the staleness comes from.

Agree 100%.  Recently, MARVEL felt that they could just take popular characters, remove the Civilian identities, shoehorn in Minorities, and they would all be hits.  Miles SPIDEY is pretty popular, but for the most part, it just hasn't worked ( if I'm not mistaken ).

I agree that not everybody should be a male WASP, but they need a new approach.  Unfortunately, I've heard some people say that whenever they come up with new Super Heroes, nobody cares, and they end up failing.  I suppose that's the problem.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: spider-ben on October 05, 2017, 08:59:26 pm
I think having new characters could be great too, but I'm tired of every character having to be a derivative of classic characters, yet they are "superior" to their original counterparts. Invincible Iron Man with the Riri Williams character has been interesting, but once they start making her "smarter" and better than Tony Stark I take an issue with that. Same thing with Totally Awesome Hulk (which is not awesome, just barely passable).  These characters haven't earned the greatness that is supposedly being bestowed upon them.  I think there is potential for some of them, but honestly Marvel is trying toooooooooo hard to diversify. The next big character I'm sure will be a 2 year old toddler who has the mental capacity to create an infinitely renewable energy source that allows her to build a suit of armor so that she can the  travel to the stars with and get all of the powers of the Fantastic Four. When she gets back to earth she'll be bitten by a radioactive spider and shoot webs from her diaper.

P.S.  keep the bad guys as bad guys.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 06, 2017, 09:20:11 am
I know this is an uphill battle, but I'd prefer to see 3rd tier/forgotten characters put in the hands of major talents and see what they can do with them. Characters that have been off the grid for a while like Doc Samson, Tigra, Valkyrie, Jack of Hearts. If you put them in the hands of nobodies/newcomers-- most fans aren't going to care -- and that's almost always what happens with these smaller characters.

Frankly, I think Tigra is more viable as a film than Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel. I'm an old school Ms. Marvel fan, but I just don't see anything really unique about her that warrants a film.



Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 06, 2017, 10:56:08 am
Getting a lesser-known going may be the ticket.  It worked for Guardians.  I think that's a more natural approach than merging heroes from other universes.  Like Gard said, that's DC's gig (although I'd argue they failed miserably with Wildstorm).  Marvel isn't going to re-take the top spot by imitating DC.

My perception of Marvel has been skewed by my reading habits.  Apologies for those that have read this before, but I subscribe to Marvel Unlimited and read the whole catalog, just 6 months behind.  It's really changed how I read not just in format, but also how I take in news.  I know everything is going to be spoiled for me by the news sites months before I actually read anything.  And, it's cheap.  If I was shelling out $ per issue for Secret Empire and trying to avoid spoilers until I read the books, I'd probably be less forgiving of the shenanigans around events.  DC got me back spending my money on paper copies by essentially catering to my demographic directly.  They apologized in a big way with Rebirth and focused on the core characters with their best talent.  It's the equivalent of Geoff Johns wrapping me in my favorite blanket and Dan Didio bringing me hot cocoa.  I'm warm, I'm safe, and the people around me are catering to me.  The kid next to me seems to be enjoying it as well.

Marvel is trying to bring back the core and keep the newbies around.  I'm not sure it's going to work.  If DC had launched a separate Rebirth line, but kept the New 52 still chugging along I think it would have failed.  The fans of the old and the fans of the new have to be buying the same books to keep books afloat financially.  There's just not enough readers in either group.  Jason Aaron is wrapping me in a new blanket that's the same color as the old one, but a different texture and Axel Alonso is bringing me raspberry-tinged Cocoa - then moving on to the kid next to me.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 06, 2017, 07:17:16 pm
Getting a lesser-known going may be the ticket.  It worked for Guardians.  I think that's a more natural approach than merging heroes from other universes.  Like Gard said, that's DC's gig (although I'd argue they failed miserably with Wildstorm).  Marvel isn't going to re-take the top spot by imitating DC.

Yeah, DC has screwed the pooch with Wildstorm although Ellis is trying mightily to rectify that.  But the fact remains that Marvel owns the Ultraverse and Disney owns Crossgen.  Why let those characters sit?  I maintain that Marvel needs new blood.  Even if the characters need updating from their 90's selves.  kc has a point too although Marvel has tried to reinvent some of it's mid level characters (minus big name talent) to virtually no success in the last few years.  GotG has been run into the ground and ruined IMHO.  The movies actually uplift the comic. 

Have you gone all digital on Marvel?

Marvel is trying to bring back the core and keep the newbies around.  I'm not sure it's going to work.  If DC had launched a separate Rebirth line, but kept the New 52 still chugging along I think it would have failed.  The fans of the old and the fans of the new have to be buying the same books to keep books afloat financially.  There's just not enough readers in either group.  Jason Aaron is wrapping me in a new blanket that's the same color as the old one, but a different texture and Axel Alonso is bringing me raspberry-tinged Cocoa - then moving on to the kid next to me.


After reading the reports from this afternoon's DC panels at NYCC, I'm more convinced than ever that Marvel may be doomed.  Metal has become a party.  The enthusiasm is palpable and contagious.  And we're all invited.  Doomsday Clock could very well be the comic equivalent of Game of Thrones. 

I still believe that Marvel needs a legit "break-the-internet", OMG, WTF, Holy Shit moment.  One that I don't see forthcoming unless Marvelman get folded into the Marvel Universe and slaughters the Avengers.       


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 07, 2017, 01:21:35 am
These characters haven't earned the greatness that is supposedly being bestowed upon them. 

Yes, this.

Marvel isn't broken. There's no great "fix" needed. You just need to bring back the core characters that the long time fans have handed over their money for, and find new and interesting ways to get new readers.

For the former, you don't need some "event" to bring back Logan as Wolverine, Tony as Iron Man, Steve as Cap, Bruce as Hulk, etc. But this is Marvel, of course you need an event because it garners sales. Okay, can we do it subtly and maybe Wolverine uses the Cosmic Cube fragment to fix a few things that have changed for the worse since he was away?

For the latter, you're halfway there. Laura, Riri, Amadeus, Kamala and even Falcon Cap are all solid concepts, just give them their own space that isn't at the expense of the originals....

....and tell good fucking stories.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Chooch on October 07, 2017, 12:50:43 pm
Have you gone all digital on Marvel?

I'm still getting Thor because there hasn't been a good jumping off point - and it's remained awesome.  The only other one I buy is Jessica Jones because the Mature Reader stuff doesn't always make it onto Marvel Unlimited.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on October 07, 2017, 02:07:17 pm
I think having new characters could be great too, but I'm tired of every character having to be a derivative of classic characters, yet they are "superior" to their original counterparts.... These characters haven't earned the greatness that is supposedly being bestowed upon them. 

I could not possibly agree more.  MARVEL did try too hard.  It reminds me of almost any commercial or TV show I see nowadays with kids or teens in them.  You MUST have a black kid, an Asian kid, a Spanish kid, an Indian kid and I think there's a rule that there must be more females than males.

With all these 'replacements', it's almost like MARVEL was apologizing for decades of white males being front and center.

All of you guys hit on several fantastic points.  If you have event after event after event, then 'events' stop being meaningful.  If you have Christmas every single month, then December 25th isn't going to be that big of a deal.
 
CHOOCH, you really nailed it when you said that DC actually has you willingly spending money to buy their books, and are trying bring back long time readers.  I honestly think MARVEL is aiming most of their canons at Movie Goers and I-Just-Got-Into-Comics-a-Few-Years-Ago-Because-of-the-Movies types.


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: kcekada on October 09, 2017, 06:19:54 pm
I just dumped most of the few remaining titles on my pull list. One of the major reasons is that the books, especially at Marvel, just look like shit. I know the cartoony, less-detailed looks is popular, but it's a turn off. I picked up Spirits of Vengeance -- and the art is not appropriate for the subject matter. Hell, Sabrina at Archie Comics has more moody artwork than this.

Both X-Men Gold and X-Men Blue look like they are being drawn by high school graduates. How is this possible? What happened to all of the good comic book artists?!


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 09, 2017, 07:12:00 pm
DC and Image mostly. 

And that one Muslim guy who drew messages into his art on the X-Men.  He's gone from Western Comics forever. 


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: Gardner Grayle on October 09, 2017, 07:59:05 pm
But the fact remains, DC is firmly in the drivers seat at the moment.  Marvel has lost a lot of creative firepower and Brevoort and Alonso don't seem to be in control of the ship at the moment.  There would seem to be no substantive leadership at Marvel right now. 

The creative momentum is most certainly with DC.  With Young Animals, Wildstorm, the CN stuff, Milestone returning in the spring of 2018, Vertigo relaunching next summer, Metal spinning out at least eight new books, as well as some oddball stuff like the new Inferior Five, DC is in danger of getting spread too thin.  Then there is Doomsday Clock and whatever they're teeing up on that side.  Johns says this is a self contained story, and I believe him, but you know there will be titles coming out the other side of this.  JSA and LSH most certainly.  And who knows what else?


Title: Re: Mighty Marvel Comics discussion
Post by: fishmilkshake on October 13, 2017, 04:04:05 pm
There's a few odd choices that have been made over the years that perplex me. The first is referencing previous issues. Remember when someone would say something and there'd be the little asterisk and you'd check the corresponding box at the bottom and it say something like "Happened way back in issue XX". It's almost like they don't want you to have to know anything about.....y'know.....Legacy issues.

The other is the continuity. How you can have an event happening in New York city affecting everyone, then pick up a title that isn't in on the event and New York is perfectly fine? There was a time when someone had the sole job of making sure a writer couldn't do something because a character was busy in another title, etc. It was a cohesive universe. Now people do as they please and the only time characters come together is in the annual event everyone gripes about but stores order big on.