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Title: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 26, 2015, 05:13:50 pm
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/26/marvel-withdraws-x-men-and-fantastic-four-license-from-xm-studios-in-mid-sculpt/

I don't collect statues nor have I ever heard of XM Studios.  But these were obviously premium format products.  Ike has gone over the edge IMHO.  I hope the studio and their workforce were compensated in some way.  Some sort of kill fee at least.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 27, 2015, 12:53:32 am
This is pretty shitty. XM are based in Singapore and were doing some pretty kickass 1/4 and 1/6 scale statues. They were close to soliciting their 1/4 scale Cable piece.

They were also working on a massive 1/6 scale X-Men vs Sentinel diorama.

Fucking billionaire tantrums.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Scotty on May 27, 2015, 09:02:32 am
Seriously silly. XM is a boutique company producing high end items  - only hurting the little guys and the (really cashed up) collectors there.  [thumbs down]



Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Harbinger on May 27, 2015, 10:45:50 am
Disnery/ marvel wants the properties back....until it does i suspect the support for any non marvel owned series will see next to no support or be allowed any official support. It could be a good  thing since lesser knowns, ie gotg, hellcat, maybe even coldblood, might get their moment to be in the spotlight. Westcoast avengers movie anyone?
I mean if an absolute zero like jewel can get a series, a cyborg ( coldblood ) can get a lil love. 8)


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 27, 2015, 04:58:58 pm
If there are any small mercies to be had it's that we won't keep getting fucking Wolverine figures in MarveL Legends. Here's to more Asgardians and cosmic characters.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: kcekada on May 28, 2015, 01:44:55 pm
If there are any small mercies to be had it's that we won't keep getting fucking Wolverine figures in MarveL Legends. Here's to more Asgardians and cosmic characters.

Hey, they can just sub Fang of the Imperial Guard -- I'd love that figure -- basically Lon Chaney Werewolf in a Cocrkum leotard.

But as I stated in the other thread, these items are in no way supporting the film, so only XM and the collectors are hurt by this piss poor decision.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 28, 2015, 07:06:29 pm
If there are any small mercies to be had it's that we won't keep getting fucking Wolverine figures in MarveL Legends. Here's to more Asgardians and cosmic characters.

Hey, they can just sub Fang of the Imperial Guard -- I'd love that figure -- basically Lon Chaney Werewolf in a Cocrkum leotard.

But as I stated in the other thread, these items are in no way supporting the film, so only XM and the collectors are hurt by this piss poor decision.

That's right. It's the fan that feel the pain.

The XM is decision is pretty public, but you just know that Hasbro, etc, have been told the exact same thing.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Scotty on May 29, 2015, 01:57:46 am
I also suspect this is one of the many factors in the Bowen contract renewal delay.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 29, 2015, 08:22:21 am
The XM is decision is pretty public, but you just know that Hasbro, etc, have been told the exact same thing.

True.  I just checked the upcoming ML releases.  Only figure even close to FF or X-Men is Thundra.  Before that, it was the Toys R Us exclusive classic X-Men box set and the X-men Infinite wave which was also TrU exclusive.  Plus Black Bolt, Medusa, and Blastarr in the SDCC box set.  All last year. 


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: kcekada on May 29, 2015, 08:32:04 am
But aren't the Inhumans under Disney's control -- thus the film that's being developed?


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 29, 2015, 09:27:16 am
Yeah, they are.  But I'm not sure why.  If Silver Surfer and Galactus are considered FF characters and the Inhumans aren't, then obviously, we aren't privaleged to the criteria. 

I was just saying (in a roundabout way), I wouldn't look for any more X-Men or FF ML figures for a while.  Except for the fact that we don't know exactly what a FF character is.  Kree is not included but Skrulls are?  Silver Surfer is but Inhumans are not?  It's a puzzle.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: derekwc on May 29, 2015, 09:41:08 am
We've (my buddies an I) have long wondered and speculated on what constitutes an FF or X-Men character for Fox.

There must be a list of characters included with the license that must leave out characters like Black Panther, Ronan and the Inhumans. Or perhaps it costs X for the FF license and to get those others, you'd need to also pay Y for a separate license.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 29, 2015, 10:19:44 am
Yeah, I've wondered about Ronan.  Clearly an FF villain yet shows up as the main bad guy in the GotG movie.  I'm pretty sure characters like Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Black Panther are exempted because of long time ties to the Avengers.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: derekwc on May 29, 2015, 11:40:27 am
Quicksilver didn't seem to be exempt. In fact he's the reason Ike's got his panties in a bunch. Honestly, what Fox did seems to have been a dick move, so I can personally understand holding a grudge.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Harbinger on May 29, 2015, 01:43:49 pm
Fox just seems intent on making the franchises utterly unrecognizable as if to say "hahaha look what we are gonna do."

At least sony realized after their two unamazing spider-letdowns that it'd be a wiser move to partner up with marvel....fox had yet to pull their proverbial head from the sand.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 29, 2015, 04:24:09 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/24677-wwe-star-cast-in-tmnt-2-rose-byrne-talks-x-men-apocalypse-fashion-more.html

Here's how random it it, Kang is controlled by FOX, but Ronan is not. 

But isn't Ronan a FF villain and Kang an Avenge'rs villain?  This is some crazy stupid shit.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: MikeS on May 29, 2015, 04:57:33 pm
http://www.newsarama.com/24677-wwe-star-cast-in-tmnt-2-rose-byrne-talks-x-men-apocalypse-fashion-more.html

Here's how random it it, Kang is controlled by FOX, but Ronan is not. 

But isn't Ronan a FF villain and Kang an Avenge'rs villain?  This is some crazy stupid shit.

If I recall my bronze age reading I think Kang is a relative of Dr. Doom so maybe that makes him an FF character and is controlled by Fox?

I imagine back in the late 90s when Marvel was selling the film rights they just had some intern make up a list of characters that were included in the deal without any real thought put into it.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: derekwc on May 29, 2015, 05:47:25 pm
The article says it as well, but Rama Tut and it also made me think anyone in the Fantastic Four Classics line is off-limits. Still sucks though. In my mind, Kang is one of the number one Avengers villains. Typical Fox cock-block.  [cursing]


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 29, 2015, 06:22:04 pm

If I recall my bronze age reading I think Kang is a relative of Dr. Doom so maybe that makes him an FF character and is controlled by Fox?


That's right. Which of course rules out Immortus too.

Yeah, I've wondered about Ronan.  Clearly an FF villain yet shows up as the main bad guy in the GotG movie.  I'm pretty sure characters like Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Black Panther are exempted because of long time ties to the Avengers.

Somehow I don't think being a mutant qualifies. Wanda is more Avenger than X-Man. If being a mutant were the criteria then Fox would be adding Namor to their film slate.

We're pondering who fits into which camp, you have to wonder if there's a team of lawyers whose entire day is spent doing much the same thing?


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on May 29, 2015, 10:47:31 pm
All very true.  But I believe that somewhere, someone, has a list of characters that FOX controls.  Whether we ever see that list or not remains to be seen.  And yeah, it's probably a lawyer.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: fishmilkshake on May 30, 2015, 09:52:04 pm
http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/05/30/between-the-panels-marvels-merchandising-problem

Interesting.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 01, 2015, 07:41:23 am
It does make sense.  Starve FOX out of any other revenue streams.  Make them rely on ticket sales. 

It may even work with the FF.  This sci-fi reboot is ill conceived at best.  The X-Men could be another matter entirely.  FOX will hold on like grim death. 

I've found the X-Men flicks to be fairly enjoyable.  Particularly the last one.  I've often wanted to drop RFK Stadium on the White House.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: kcekada on June 02, 2015, 06:26:50 am
Fox just seems intent on making the franchises utterly unrecognizable as if to say "hahaha look what we are gonna do."

At least sony realized after their two unamazing spider-letdowns that it'd be a wiser move to partner up with marvel....fox had yet to pull their proverbial head from the sand.

That's because to date -- they haven't needed to. As long as their X-movies are making a profit, they can screw Disney and Marvel.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: kcekada on June 02, 2015, 06:29:23 am

If I recall my bronze age reading I think Kang is a relative of Dr. Doom so maybe that makes him an FF character and is controlled by Fox?


That's right. Which of course rules out Immortus too.


Damn! I was really hoping Marcus Immortus would show up in that Captain (Ms.) Marvel film.  ;)


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 03, 2015, 07:03:36 pm
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/singling-out-marvels-film-rights-head-scratchers

My fucking head hurts.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 03, 2015, 09:12:43 pm
Kee-rist!!  >:(


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: derekwc on June 03, 2015, 10:05:32 pm
I think the original premise of "the rules" is flawed.

Honestly, there's some random list of characters out there. If it were truly based on 1st app. then Ronan, Black Panther and the Inhumans would be tied up.

Unless James Gunn's response leads to even more legal bs, b/c this the first time Fox paid attention to it's FF rights beyond Galactus and the Silver Surfer.

They can't use the Badoon? So strange.


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 04, 2015, 07:12:41 am
And so random.   [banghead]


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on June 14, 2015, 09:28:15 am
http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/marvel-comics-emma-frost-artfx-from-koto_official/

The plot thickens...

And I'm confused...


Title: Re: XM Studios had the FF and X-Men license yanked.
Post by: fishmilkshake on June 14, 2015, 04:51:20 pm
I just assumed that if a licensor is past a certain point in the production process they could continue.