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Title: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on September 08, 2018, 09:07:03 am
So, lot of info and some pics being released this past week. I've never been a huge fan of the Carol's Captain Marvel uniform, but it looks decent for the film. We know it will be set in the 90s. A younger Nick Fury will be prominent making use of heavy CGI apparently. Monica Rambeau will be a young girl, a daughter of Carol's airforce pilot firend -- making way for the adult version to show up in present time. Oh, there is a Kree Starforce led by Mar Vell, I believe -- and these guys will probably be potential action figures in a Captain Marvel wave.

https://www.newsarama.com/41690-new-details-on-captain-marvel-s-villain-plot.html


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Chooch on September 08, 2018, 10:14:46 am
I hadn't thought about the re-usability factor of Starforce's uniforms.  Easy headswaps means the male and female Kree uniform will dominate that wave unfortunately.

On the plus side, I'm heartened to hear that this isn't an origin story.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 08, 2018, 02:51:07 pm
I'm not too excited about this one, but I'm sure I'll see it.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 08, 2018, 05:30:48 pm
This one is doomed.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 08, 2018, 06:23:05 pm
This one is doomed.

I hope not. I'd like to see it do well so that it shows it's not just the boys who have to headline a movie. Wonder Woman had us off and running, now we just need Carol to keep the pace.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 08, 2018, 07:33:20 pm
PC isn’t what’s doomed this movie.  It’s a no name character, a no name actress, a convoluted backstory, and a 90’s setting that is a hurricane force headwind for this flick.  Black Widow with Scarjo shoulda been the first female Marvel film out of the gate.

You don’t get a second GotG.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on September 09, 2018, 02:02:19 pm
I agree with Gard that Marvel missed the opportunity with Black Widow. Frankly, the character stole the show in Iron Man II. I don't think she's been used as effectively since then -- though she has had some good moments in Avengers and Captain America.

Marvel owns the Captain Marvel name, but in near 50 years of ownership, they've mostly failed to do anything lasting with it. The Starlin issues of Captain Marvel were amazing, but that was long ago. Peter David's series had its moments. They can't make a go of Carol -- mostly because they've been shooting themselves in the foot with her more androgynous look and so so creative teams. I guess they think this is their time to finally do something lasting with it. I think they would have been smarter had they introduced the character in another films first. But Marvel is full of itself now, and most people think they can do no wrong. I'm very skeptical, but I don't think CM will be a flop, but it won't be a Wonder Woman.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on September 09, 2018, 02:03:32 pm
Itís a no name character, a no name actress, a convoluted backstory, and a 90ís setting that is a hurricane force headwind for this flick. 
You donít get a second GotG.

I think Charlize Theron could have pulled this off. I'm not familiar with the actress playing CM, but she doesn't scream big box office to me.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Gardner Grayle on September 09, 2018, 10:11:20 pm
If you haven’t seen Atomic Blonde, I highly recommend it.  Charlize is awesome.  And she stole the Tom Hardy Mad Mad flick as well. 

Atomic Blonde should be on HBO/Cinemax for the rest of the month at least.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on September 09, 2018, 11:51:21 pm
"Atomic Blonde" was frigging incredible!!!  Pretty awesome soundtrack, too.

"Mad Max" really should have just been called "Furiosa" or "Fury Road".  Max was kind of just a side character. ( just an observation, not a complaint )



Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 10, 2018, 12:30:01 am
I agree Scar Jo should have got her solo movie by now. Of course it doesn't help that Jennifer Lawrence and Red Sparrow have now beaten her to it.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on September 18, 2018, 07:50:24 am
First trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8

Looks interesting. Is she going Binary at the end? That's surprising!


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: bigraj on September 18, 2018, 11:16:08 am
Looks good.  I'm excited.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 18, 2018, 06:39:39 pm
Yeah, cool. I'm there.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Chooch on September 18, 2018, 10:04:40 pm
Looks like the full face mask is happening as well.  I dig it.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on September 19, 2018, 11:36:09 am
Oh boy.

Comics lore again sacrificed at the film altar. Carol is now half Kree.

https://www.cbr.com/captain-marvel-carol-danvers-origin-story-retcon/



Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 19, 2018, 05:17:57 pm

Comics lore again sacrificed at the film altar. Carol is now half Kree.


But it's Hollywood. They make everything better!  [thumbs up]


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: powersthatbe on September 19, 2018, 06:16:33 pm
with the kree green outfits,looks like a GL corps movie.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Chooch on September 20, 2018, 09:53:58 am
It's easier to understand than "DNA re-written by Psyche-Magnatron" or whatever it was.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on September 20, 2018, 08:37:50 pm
I'm pretty impressed they got this off the ground. DC has a very recognisable Wonder Woman, but Marvel has never had that equivalent. Obviously Carol is the chosen one, especially since Storm is over at Fox for now (or caught up in the Fox sale mess)


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on December 04, 2018, 09:07:09 am
Okay. Now, I'm sold!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LHxvxdRnYc


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Chooch on December 04, 2018, 10:21:26 am
I feel like I now know too much about the story.  They even explained the beating up an old woman bit from the last trailer.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Gardner Grayle on December 04, 2018, 10:41:21 am
I think I smell the Eternals all over this.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on December 04, 2018, 12:43:29 pm
Well, now we're drifting into Marvel territory that I know very little about.  That is just a personal observation....definitely not a complaint. 

This might be like Guardians....one of those movies that ends up doing really well because of the Marvel brand.  WB/DC has the exact same branding..except with them, it causes people to immediately LOSE interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHs6iIjb9Dc


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on December 04, 2018, 01:00:15 pm
I feel like I now know too much about the story.  They even explained the beating up an old woman bit from the last trailer.

Well, I'm pretty sure the part about Kree being noble warrior heroes is a red herring.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Chooch on December 04, 2018, 02:25:06 pm
I feel like I now know too much about the story.  They even explained the beating up an old woman bit from the last trailer.

Well, I'm pretty sure the part about Kree being noble warrior heroes is a red herring.

Oh yeah.  And Jude Law will turn out evil and the Skrulls will be misunderstood.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on December 28, 2018, 02:17:48 pm
So Jude Law has been confirmed as Mar-Vell, but his ultimate role as hero or villain or something in between has yet to be determined.

https://www.cbr.com/captain-marvel-jude-law-mar-vell-doesnt-matter/


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on December 30, 2018, 01:37:41 am
My girl's are stoked for this after seeing the second trailer.

Marvel is doing it right, the kids love Capt Marvel and Spider-Gwen (Ghost Spider)


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on December 31, 2018, 08:24:43 pm
I'm looking forward to it -- but not at the same level as I was looking forward to Aquaman, and especially Wonder Woman.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 08, 2019, 01:23:10 am
Now my kids are super-pumped! This could be the thing that brings them over to the dark side  [sign]


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on February 09, 2019, 05:30:34 pm
I don't quite buy Larson as Carol Danvers. But the same can be said for the guy who plays Captain America.

That said -- I tend to like these individual characters films better than the overarching Avengers films.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on March 08, 2019, 06:26:13 pm
It was okay.

Haven't gone to see a Marvel film in the theatre since, Ant-Man (I) I think. Last superhero film I saw was Aquaman. I am a Carol Danvers fan, but I don't think Marvel has handled the character well in the time since she became Captain Marvel. And that has been quite evident with the number of times the publisher has rebooted her series.

I will guess that the general audience will judge this film less harshly than we comic book veterans. The story plays very fast and loose with comic book history -- going as far as gender bending Mar-Vell -- I guess in an attempt to make Danvers' evolution to hero not dependent on any male contributions. This is the part of the film that really irked me.

Another problem I had was the Skrulls -- especially Telo with his Australian accent. Aside from his appearance, everything else is so typically human. It just didn't work for me.

Larson is adequate. Her girl next door looks will probably win over a younger female audience. I would have preferred someone like Charlize Theron -- who has a commanding presence that I feel the role required. Coulson was unnecessary, but the younger version of Nick Fury did add some character dimension to the movie.

Jude Law was very interesting -- and had a great presence in his scenes. I'm not too familiar with Yon Rogg, but I don't think Law's version is evil. His role probably is close to that of comic book Mar-Vell's.

Danvers doesn't really bloom into her Captain Marvel -- or should I say -- Binary powers -- until near the end of the film. The credits call out Kelly Sue Deconnick and David Lopez (I think that's his name) as being instrumental to the film, but I feel it owed more to Chris Claremont and Dave Cockrum -- since her powers are clearly based on Danvers' time as Binary. Again, though, the general public will not be aware.

There has been much talk about the scene-stealing cat. I won't say too much about - but it does have some of the best moments in the film.

As the credits rolled, I still didn't comprehend why the film was set 20+ years in the past. I know what Marvel/Disney was trying to do, but it just felt so heavy-handed.

This is no Wonder Woman. It's fine as a female-led super hero story, but that's about it.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: powersthatbe on March 12, 2019, 07:51:08 pm
I have the same sentiments for the film as kcekada


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on March 16, 2019, 04:58:30 pm
Mrs. Magnet and I just came back from seeing it.

We enjoyed it, but I found that the movie was at it's best when Fury or almost anybody else was sharing a scene with Carol.  On her own, she can be a little bland.






SPOILER:



I think they need to make a life size toy/prop of the Happy Days lunch box with a tesseract


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: bigraj on March 19, 2019, 10:47:34 am
Watched it on Saturday, and enjoyed it.  Not quite as good as the best Marvel Studio flicks, but still a lot of fun.  Loved young Fury.  Not sure what happened to the youngifying tech when it came to Coulson, though.  I liked that Jackson carried the load as far as humor went.  Larson was good at doing much more subtle things to get a few giggles, like blowing the hair out of her face.  The Rambeaus were great characters.  Didn't care for the twist with the Skrulls, though there's plenty of time in other movies to fully flesh them out.  Fun intro to the character, and it connects to the next Avengers flick.  I don't think it's necessary to watch Captain Marvel before seeing Endgame, but it's still good quality stuff, so why wouldn't you? 


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 26, 2019, 04:10:29 am
The Skrull twist was poor.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: darthfoley on March 26, 2019, 07:59:55 am
I liked the movie quite a bit.  I'll admit I know next to nothing about the character or the Kree/Skrull war, but I kept looking at the screen like

(https://buzzsharer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/boston-terrier-head-tilt.jpg)

as the Skrulls became the 'good guys'.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Chooch on March 26, 2019, 09:43:09 am
I think good isn't what they were going for.  Like most war movies, it was an anti-war movie.  In this case one group on one of the sides was tired of war.  Talos admitted he wasn't a good person.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: kcekada on March 26, 2019, 12:19:34 pm
The Skrull twist was poor.

I saw that coming way back when -- when Danvers said that the Kree were heroes.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: darthfoley on March 26, 2019, 04:44:19 pm
I think good isn't what they were going for.  Like most war movies, it was an anti-war movie.  In this case one group on one of the sides was tired of war.  Talos admitted he wasn't a good person.

Hence the 'good guys'.  They are certainly in this movie meant to be more sympathetic, though.  My impression (again, as someone not familiar with the storyline in the comics) has always been the Skrulls were viewed as the 'bad guys' by the Marvel heroes.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Chooch on March 26, 2019, 10:58:38 pm
Yeah, that was definitely a purposeful twist. Movies are their own thing though so short of a complete betrayal of a character I'm happy to enjoyng them on their own merits.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on March 28, 2019, 03:12:03 am
I think good isn't what they were going for.  Like most war movies, it was an anti-war movie.  In this case one group on one of the sides was tired of war.  Talos admitted he wasn't a good person.

Hence the 'good guys'.  They are certainly in this movie meant to be more sympathetic, though.  My impression (again, as someone not familiar with the storyline in the comics) has always been the Skrulls were viewed as the 'bad guys' by the Marvel heroes.

Both Kree and Skrulls have always been villains, the former through force, the latter through subversion.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: darthfoley on March 30, 2019, 11:05:31 pm
I think good isn't what they were going for.  Like most war movies, it was an anti-war movie.  In this case one group on one of the sides was tired of war.  Talos admitted he wasn't a good person.

Hence the 'good guys'.  They are certainly in this movie meant to be more sympathetic, though.  My impression (again, as someone not familiar with the storyline in the comics) has always been the Skrulls were viewed as the 'bad guys' by the Marvel heroes.

Both Kree and Skrulls have always been villains, the former through force, the latter through subversion.

Interesting.  I guess I never really got the impression of the Kree being villains from the periphery.  Maybe it's because of the Super Skrull and reinforced with the Secret Invasion stuff that I had the Skrulls as the bad guys in my head.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Chooch on March 31, 2019, 08:50:57 pm
Mar-Vell rebelled from the Kree, IIRC.  And the Supreme Intelligence was always a dick.  Ronan was always played with a sense of nobility though.


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 03, 2019, 12:21:10 am
Mar-Vell rebelled from the Kree, IIRC.  And the Supreme Intelligence was always a dick.  Ronan was always played with a sense of nobility though.

Yeah, the SI was always so high and mighty, almost supreme!! A same they couldn't have somehow worked his comic book look into the film, but Hollywood do make everything better  ::)


Title: Re: Captain Marvel
Post by: Chooch on April 03, 2019, 02:36:39 pm
That was a bit end-of-Contacty.  Otherwise I think they did a good job of incorporating the pieces from the comics that were necessary.  It just crossed $1B worldwide, so Marvel's doing something right.