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Title: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 25, 2019, 08:59:08 pm
This is happening.  Just when it looked like Mattel was turning a corner, they're done.  Seventeen years.  Hundreds of figures.  And now they're done for the foreseeable future.  Rumor is they wanted out of the deal with DC.  Rumor is, Todd was the only company that wanted the DC license.  He received it by default.  Rumors.  If it's true and Mattel wanted out, didn't they know stock price would take a hit?  They seemed surprised and upset.  Dunno what to believe. 

What I do know is things are about to get interesting.  And I don't even know if I'll be buying these or not.  Todd has a pretty narrow path to my business. 

1) Todd is the innovator of the six inch scale for collectors starting with Spawn wave 2 way back in the mid 90's.  Years before DCD existed or Toy Biz did any six inch figures.  Hasbro actually did do a handful around the same time. 

2) Todd produced over 40 waves of Spawn.  Maybe closer to 50 all in.  More waves than DCUC.  He has the capacity to do this if he wants to.  Six waves a year.  To open. 

3) His strength is not with the superhero crowd, but with everything else.  All that stuff in the DCU that's kinda to the side.  Todd loves monsters, warriors, aliens, and freaks.  His influences are Sci-Fi, Mythology, Horror, Fantasy/Sword and Sorcery, etc.  I can't wait to see stuff like Man-Bat, Solomon Grundy. Swamp Thing, Warlord and many others.   

 


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on March 26, 2019, 09:45:55 am
https://www.cbr.com/todd-mcfarlane-greg-capullo-unknown-project/


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 26, 2019, 10:21:47 am
Saw that.  Makes me wonder when?  After Last Knight, Capullo is supposedly doing a Netflix comic with Mark Millar for $$$$.  After that, there is speculation about Metal II. 

I wonder if Todd would do Metal II figures off Gregís art?


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on March 26, 2019, 11:33:03 am
I figured it amounted to McFarlane doing Capullo figures of some kind.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 26, 2019, 11:54:39 am
I thought it was a comic.  At first. 

Maybe it’s package art?


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 26, 2019, 04:01:08 pm
Back on point.  I was trying to write all this last night.  I was tired and it didn't all come out as coherent as I wanted it to.  I believe that there are general reasons to be both optimistic and more realistic about Todd and the direction of this line. 

Optimistic:  Almost everything Todd does looks cool.

Realistic:  Does 22+ POA make a figure look too cut up like old school Marvel legends?  Can Todd effectively compensate for it?  What is the scale?  What will the style be like?  Generic or stylized? 

Realistic:  DC/WBCPD seems to want merchandise to go in another direction.  Will Todd even get the green light to do much in comic accurate form?  DC has four live action movies coming out in 2020.  One of them is Birds of Prey and Mattel might actually make those as it has a release date of Feb 15th.  The other three, Wonder Woman 1984 included, are all Todd.  Two of those movies haven't been announced yet.  Odds are, one of them is the New Gods.  Along with the movies, we get a new CW show centered around Batwoman.  It's gotten a pilot order, but I have no doubt it'll get a production order.  Especially since the Flagship show, Arrow, is ending in December of 2019.  At the point where Todd comes onboard, there will be twelve live action DC TV shows on various networks.  Mostly CW and DC Universe.  With at least one more in development.  There are two DC video games in development.  Todd has had pretty good success there.  As for animated, Todd can't do Superhero Girls.  Doubt he'd touch Young Justice or Teen Titans Go !, but Harley has a cartoon coming up which would be a great excuse to go back and do some more Timm style figures.  This is what we know now.  Imagine what other media stuff will be in the hopper by the end of the year.  On top of all of that, I think Todd keeps the Signature Series going to continue mining older movies and TV shows.

Realistic:  Todd is an old school comic guy.  Maybe the first true comic mogul, aside from Eisner, despite some setbacks.  He loves the medium or he'd be out of it by now.  As for scale, that's something we can guess at.  Does he see this new line as a spiritual successor to DCUC and Multiverse?  Or does Todd go his own way?  The 4H are out after fourteen years.  So I imagine the spirit of Jose Luis Garcia Lopez and his style guide is too.  BTW, Tim Bruckner was using that since 2000 in DCD.

Todd brings great energy and passion to everything he does.  But three years isn't even time to team build.  I want a comic accurate line deeper and wider than DCUC.  I'd say Heroclix deep.  But that won't happen.  It should, but won't.   Besides, that's crazy talk. 

Realistic:  If we do get a significant number of comic accurate figures, I would imagine it will be a reflection of current publishing.  Rebirth forward.  Plus events and probably current Multiverse.  Mind you, I don't have a problem with this, but I know a lot of people will.  I just can't get behind the attitude of "If it ain't classic, why bother?".  YMMV.  This is where Capullo comes in.  Batman Who Laughs is a figure begging to get made.  Plus a whole bunch more.  More later.       


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 26, 2019, 08:13:47 pm
As a "comic only" action figure buyer, I know the number of comic accurate figures being made is going to go down as DC's media presence, on all platforms, increases.  I guess I'm OK with that.  It may be time for me to hang this hobby up anyway.  I can hope Todd will focus some of his seemingly boundless energy on comic characters, but is that what the people who gave him this license want?  Dan DiDio and Jim Lee might.  But is that what their new boss and the rest of the WBCPD want?  Interesting question that I'm not sure I want the answer to.

Has Todd addressed his QC problems?  What will the price point be?  North of 25 bucks makes me a cherry picker automatically.  And that is only if the overall scale lines up with DCUC/Multiverse. 

So if all of that ends up coming together, Todd needs to do one more critical thing to earn my business...make something I want.  Something that hasn't been done in six inch scale.  At least not by Mattel.  A fair amount of "never been done" figures would be nice.  New iterations of all of DC's top dogs won't fly with me at this point in my figure collecting career.  A good Earth-2 Robin in the Adams costume would be awesome.  Warlord, Frankenstein, Shining Knight (either/both), Vigilante (Cowboy), Amethyst, Rip Hunter, Rick Flagg, and literally dozens (hundreds) more come to mind.  Will Todd go deep?  When you talk about media figures, it's fairly well defined and finite.  A comic line can go on forever.  Kinda like me.   ;D   


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on March 26, 2019, 08:46:41 pm
I guess my DC figure collecting days are done.  I'm at peace with it.

I would love for Todd to make Warlord and Frankenstein, but DC stands for Disappointing Collectors.  My hope has been laid to rest.  I've been hopeful for the past 5+ years, and it's lead nowhere.

There's other stuff to collect, so it's time to move on.



Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 26, 2019, 08:54:37 pm
Thatís the thing, I havenít really given up yet.  But Iím trying to manage my expectations, be realistic, and prepare myself for the possible end.  Nothing is set in stone.  These could end up being so cool, I almost have to buy Ďem.

I once dumped DCD for Mattel.  I suppose it could happen again.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on March 27, 2019, 12:22:04 am
Todd liking Fantasy and Monster type characters is a definite plus, but how many will he get to make?  Will they sell?  Will they be 30 bucks a piece?

At this point, I won't dare hope.  There's no point in a Wish List.  Sure....I have to take some of the blame for having the particular taste that I do, but in the end, figures ain't cheap, and I will buy only what interests me, be it Bronze Age, 90s era, or Modern Age.

If Todd puts out a character or two that I want, of course I would buy them.   There's no question that any plans he has are probably worlds apart from Mattel's.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 27, 2019, 04:03:53 am
I just hope Todd can do some of what he wants.  A lot of what he does will be things heís required to do.  Like movies and such.  We really donít know much at this point so itís not possible for me to predict my own behavior much less that of the toy buying public in general. 

The only thing I know for certain is that the figures will be great looking.  Whether itís something I purchase or not.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on March 27, 2019, 08:04:59 pm
Yeah, he'll obviously have a certain quota to fill.  It's what he does with the 'open' slots that interests me.

If I can get a big, chunky, sleeveless marching-band-coat Frankenstein and a Classic Warlord out of this, everything will have been worth it.  The trifecta would include a Camelot 3000 King Arthur, but there's no way in Hell I'm that lucky.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: powersthatbe on March 27, 2019, 08:36:16 pm
I would like to see his take on characters like the creeper,  swamp thing, man-bat and the demon, but on the other hand I want a basic not overly stylized line(maybe the latter in a deluxe format?)


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 27, 2019, 09:22:51 pm
So after a fair amount of realism and pragmatism, I'm now gonna look at the best case (to me) scenario.  Assuming decent QC, a price point that won't break the bank, and a reasonably compatible scale, I'll say we do get a good amount of comic accurate characters as well as a deep-ish dive into the DCU.  Todd was talking about a line of "basic" figures in his first FB post about the DC license from the floor of Toy Fair last month.  I'm going to hope/assume that this is a comic inspired line with a somewhat lower price point that will get refreshed regularly.  Something like the basic WWE line Mattel puts out.  Less articulation, fewer accessories, blister card packaging, etc.  Word is, Mattel wanted to do this with DCUC/Multiverse but DC shut them down.  That sticks in my craw something fierce since I heard about it.. 

Imagine two parallel figure lines, completely compatible with one another.  One for kids, the other for collectors (but not really), and folks going back and forth picking and choosing their favorites.  Think of John Cena and the Rock as Batman and Superman and fill in around them.  My thing has never been articulation.  14-16 POA is fine for me.  I'm more a sculpt guy.  I want a great likeness, proper scaling and a WIDE VARIETY.  I'll never understand the people who follow DCD/DCC and keep buying the same 25 characters over and over again.  Cannot do it.  But imagine 50 or 60 new comic accurate figures a year priced out at around $13.99.  Maybe a pipe dream, but I think it would work. 

Looking at this realistically, I think we get a fair amount of artist inspired figures.  Greg Capullo seems to top a lot of lists for that.  He and Todd are old friends.  I'm also pretty sure Todd will have to skew most comic figures to the post Rebirth DCU.  I'll feel more confident about that when Doomsday Clock concludes.  Which should close out most of the Rebirth storylines.  Maybe.  Thomas Wayne and Jor-El still lurk.  Events in the DCU will continue to unfold and perhaps shape Todd's overall direction.

And this is something I just wanna put out there in case Todd does have some room to maneuver: 

You can just about cut the DCU in half now.  Before 1980 and after 1980.  Specifically DC Comics Presents #26.  The first appearance of the New Teen Titans.  This is the break point for me.  Not any of the Crisis', or even the New 52.  In that 16 page preview, Wolfman and Perez altered the DCU forever.  As much as I love me the GA-BA stuff, I think I'd be happy with the NTT forward. 

And how about a Grell styled Warlord?  Just because.  [thumbs up]   


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on March 27, 2019, 10:04:38 pm
My thing has never been articulation.  14-16 POA is fine for me.  I'm more a sculpt guy.  I want a great likeness, proper scaling and a WIDE VARIETY.  I'll never understand the people who follow DCD/DCC and keep buying the same 25 characters over and over again.  Cannot do it.  But imagine 50 or 60 new comic accurate figures a year priced out at around $13.99.  Maybe a pipe dream, but I think it would work.

I am totally with you on articulation.  Hell....I'm even fine with 9 or 10!  ( Straight legs w/ un-articulated knees ARE a pet peeve, however )  But yes, a line with 12-16 POAs at 15 bucks would be great.  Actually, that's what I would hope for more than anything!

I can totally understand having several figures of the same character, but at the same time, variety is the spice of life!!  Sure, I have several BATMANs, but the true gems of my collection are figures like KILLER MOTH, VIGILANTE, MANHUNTER Paul Kirk, DEADSHOT, and DEATHSTROKE.

And how about a Grell styled Warlord?  Just because.  [thumbs up]  

 [rock] [rock] [rock]


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 29, 2019, 06:02:13 pm
This is my top 50 from the Fwoosh.  As I explained there, this isn't a wish list, but characters I think Todd could crush based on his interests and past figures he's produced.  Monsters, warriors, aliens, and gods, etc.  Although I think he can do straight superheroes, these freaks and whatnot are more in his wheelhouse based on 25 years of making figures.  Horror, Sci-Fi, Mythology, and Fantasy are the themes that have driven him.  These 50+ would help push that.         

Batman. Lets just get that out of the way. Now onward:

1) Solomon Grundy
2) Man-Bat
3) Wonder Woman
4) Hawkman/Hawkgirl
5) Aquaman hook and beard
6) Martian Manhunter
7) OMAC Buddy Blank/Kevin Kho variant
8. King Shark
9) Creeper
10)Swamp Thing
11)Frankenstein (Seven Soldiers)
12)Demon
13)Mongul
14)Parasite
14)Grodd
15)Joker
16)Claw
17)Warlord
18)Amethyst
19)Starfire
20)Adam Strange
21)I...Vampire/Andrew Bennett. Original look where he dressed like a European Count.
22)Shaggy Man/General variant
23)Cyborg classic/modern variant
24)Darkseid
25)Deathstroke
26)Doomsday
27)Rogol Zaar
28)Black Adam
29)Vandal Savage
30)Shade from Starman
31)Zod
32)Croc
33)Deadman
34)Captain Comet
35)Upside Down Man
36)Nightmaster/Detective Chimp pack-in.
37)Blockbuster
38)Bane
39)Manhunter Simonson version
40)Kilowog
41)Chemo
42)Starro Deluxe figure
43)Batman Who Laughs
44)Validus
45)Damage II
46)Metamorpho
47)Clayface
48)Mr. Bones/Black Terror costume
49)Talia Al Ghul
50)Spectre

Some Honorable Mentions:

Jemm
Faceless Hunter of Saturn
Katana
Bronze Tiger
Rick Flagg/Steve Trevor variant. Heavily armed.

All comic styled.  Goes without saying.   ;D


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on March 29, 2019, 08:21:04 pm
Sweet Jeebus.  I would die if he made WARLORD and CLAW!

I love how non-mainstream that list is.  That is a LOT of visually interesting characters.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on March 29, 2019, 08:47:22 pm
That was my intention, to mine for the visually interesting.  But it's still pretty mainstream.  Out of all 61, 41 have been made in six inch scale at least once by either DCD/DCC or Mattel since 1999.

As for the 20 that haven't been made, I can see Amethyst, Rogol Zaar, Talia, Batman Who Laughs, and maybe the Upside Down Man get made.

I just think these would be fun based on Todd's previous production.       


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: powersthatbe on March 29, 2019, 10:00:20 pm
I don't think under Todd we will see batman or superman until a good number of waves hit,with post 52 designs.definitely batman who laughs and others from Metal.His take on Doom Patrol would be up there.Batman's Rogues Gallery.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: darthfoley on April 01, 2019, 07:42:25 am
I hope they look better than his GoT stuff.  Woof.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Boy Wonder on April 01, 2019, 08:46:42 pm
You guys are way too optimistic about this line.

Iím still content with my DCUC collection. There will never be another line close to it. If we can get a few one off pieces that stylistically mix, like a Granny Goodness, Iíll grab them. But this is just going to be more of the same that we saw from Mattel, just executed differently.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: kcekada on April 02, 2019, 09:11:25 am
I'm not really interested in redos of the entire DCU.  I'm not saying that a figure should NOT be done again just because it was done so well for DCUC, but I'm not about to buy another Elasti-Girl or camo Aquaman when the ones I have are great.

I think we will probably see some classic figures that have never been done. I'd love to see Teen Titans handled properly -- Mattel really effed that up -- despite giving us a few good Titans. And if McFarlane could do Legion -with a better proportion of female to male figures (instead of the lousy 1 to 11 that Mattel gave us), I'd be in for redos of the entire Legion. Honestly, these two franchises deserved a lot better than what they got.

I would think that stuff like Warlord and Creeper would be right up Todd's alley.



Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on April 02, 2019, 01:08:41 pm
I'd love to see Teen Titans handled properly -- Mattel really effed that up -- despite giving us a few good Titans.

QFT

I would think that stuff like Warlord and Creeper would be right up Todd's alley.

Yaayy!!  But again....I'm going in with no expectations, no Wish List, no hope. 


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: fishmilkshake on April 03, 2019, 12:24:43 am
As a comic fan I'm keen to see how much Todd pushes against the decisions of DC. I wonder if he'll be working with good people who can see beyond the big three over and over again?


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on April 03, 2019, 11:41:24 am
If Gard is right ( no reason to think he's not ) and nobody else wanted the DC license, I would think he has a lot of leeway.  That fact, combined with Todd's love of Fantasy and Monster characters should lead to good things. 

But at the same time, if I had a nickel for every time I misjudged DC/WBs actions....I'd be rich.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 03, 2019, 09:42:08 pm
Dude, thereís no reason to believe I am right.  All I know is as a former Spawn collector, some of the stuff he put out was some sick shit.  In a good way.  He had his share of problems, but great looking sculpts werenít one.  I really do hope he gets to Warlord, Man-Bat, Creeper, Frankenstein, Swamp Thing, and the rest, but DC is ramping up its TV and movie production so there will be lots of live action figures.  Comic figures may take a back seat. 


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Non-Chick Magnet on April 04, 2019, 12:15:04 am
I really do hope he gets to Warlord, Man-Bat, Creeper, Frankenstein, Swamp Thing, and the rest, but DC is ramping up its TV and movie production so there will be lots of live action figures.  Comic figures may take a back seat.

Entirely possible.  Like I've said, due to my own personal tastes, I've been let down by DC/WB time and time again.  Todd may end up putting out some truly incredible Movie figures, but I don't want Movie, TV, or Video Game crap.  Not even if it was free. 

Nevertheless, I guess it will be interesting to see where this goes. 


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on April 04, 2019, 04:13:02 am
No doubt.  As someone who only wants comic figures too, we’re in the same boat.  Don’t know yet if it’s sinking.  I see one of four scenarios emerging for me personally:

1) Everything is so good and cool looking, I go all in and essentially start over.

2) Todd gets most everything right and I cherry pick supplementing my current DCUC/Mutiverse collection.  Picking up never been dones and replacing key favorites with better versions.

3) Todd get it mostly wrong and I cherry pick oversized figures the way some people add Marvel Select to Marvel Legends with characters like Watcher, Hulk, Mephisto, Juggernaut, etc.

4) Worst case scenario and Todd gets it all wrong, and I’m done.  At which point I probably sell off the bulk of my collection only keeping JSA, Kirby stuff, and a few more.

We’ve got three and a half months to SDCC and about six months to NYCC.  Gonna be a long wait.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 27, 2019, 05:57:31 pm
BATMAN
BATMAN/SUPERMAN

SUPERMAN
BATMAN/SUPERMAN

ARROW
CORE

BATMAN
ANIMATED

SUPERMAN
ANIMATED

GREEN LANTERN
ANIMATED

BATGIRL
COLLECTOR

NIGHTWING
COLLECTOR

BATMAN WHO LAUGHS
COLLECTOR

BATMAN - HELLBAT ARMOR
ARMOURED

SUPERMAN ARMORED
ARMOURED

BAT-TRIKE
VEHICLE

HARLEY QUINN
COMIC
SPECIAL

HARLEY QUINN
MOVIE
SPECIAL

This is the first leaked/rumor list from Todd.  Comes from the Fwoosh.  Pound O' salt required.  Supposed to be 7 inch scale.  Coming in Jan.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on July 27, 2019, 08:25:12 pm
Some of those will look cool, but it seems like he's not going for "waves."


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on July 27, 2019, 10:47:31 pm
Allegedly, that is the first wave.

But there was another guy on there a couple of weeks ago who said he saw new McFarlane DC SKUs in the Walgreens computer system.  Seven SKUs with one repeated.  Which Iím guessing would be an exclusive or a variant.  No descriptions were available, just the number.  Iím not really buying into any of it yet.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: fishmilkshake on August 02, 2019, 06:23:44 am
"Oh cool, 7 inch scale will be awesome!".....said no one ever.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on August 02, 2019, 06:54:41 am
Oh no.  Let me assure you that there are a bunch of Fwooshtards that are just peeing their pants over 7 inch scale.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on August 02, 2019, 07:44:02 pm
I do think it's a legit observation that scale will likely be irrelevant because no McFarlane figure will stylistically fit with DCUC.  He's not for universe or even team building.  He's for cool singles.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on August 02, 2019, 11:04:58 pm
Not really.  As a former Spawn collector, he did many themed waves for various properties.  Plus cool singles are great and all, but I was under the impression he got the gig to go nose to nose with Marvel Legends.  Increase DC’s retail shelf presence.  And yeah, stylistically, I doubt seriously we get the Jose Luis Garcia Lopez 1982 style guide treatment that Bruckner started up with at DCD in the early 2000’s and the 4H followed up with in DCSH/DCUC.  Todd’s not doing that for sure.  At any scale.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: kcekada on August 03, 2019, 04:14:16 pm
I have serious doubts that Todd's line will be anywhere near as universe-building as Marvel Legends or even DCUC. That first projected wave does not say universe-builder to me.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on August 03, 2019, 06:40:33 pm
The working theory is that heís trying to cover all the bases in six inch scale.  Testing the waters to see what works.  Heís not going to get any sales data about Multiverse from Mattel, and DCC sales data wonít help with retail.  Outside of pro sports, DC is the biggest license Toddís ever had.  Going heavy in the big names and Batman should be expected.  As much as I hate it.  And Iím not convinced yet that the lineup is totally accurate.  If it is accurate, 8/13 of the figures are supposedly comic accurate.  Better than the 50/50 split I was expecting.  Itís tough to Universe build in three years.  Even team building is gonna be tough.  If Todd gets a four or five year extension very quickly, then I think weíll see more long term thinking and planning.  At least I hope so.  All of this looks like a DCC lineup.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Josey Wales on January 01, 2020, 08:58:44 pm
Jay C has a video with pics on YouTube.  I hate say everything looks  great. Modern Supes & Bats especially. No connection to the armored versions, but I'm a sucker for an armored Batsuit, so.... ;) Arrow looks nice too, but I'd want the whole live action crew, so undecided  for now.

Edit- pics on fwoosh

http://thefwoosh.com/2020/01/mcfarlane-toys-dc-superman-batman-green-arrow-and-more/


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: kcekada on January 02, 2020, 11:27:09 am
First look!

https://www.newsarama.com/48431-todd-mcfarlane-reveals-first-wave-of-his-dc-comics-toys-collectibles.html

The iconic Batman and Superman figures look good, but I really need a deeper character assortment before I jump onto yet another DC figure collection. For me, I think it's too little, way too late.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on January 03, 2020, 01:28:31 pm
My post and a response from over da Fwoosh der hey:

    For me,

    Pros:
    Some sculpts look great.
    Large number of figures out of the gate.
    $20 is reasonable.
    Willing to make vehicles.

    Cons:
    Heavy Super/Bat
    Mishmash of styles keeps it from feeling like a line
    Scaled above existing collections
    Articulation seems excessive and/or odd (ball joint wrists/ankles)
    Extra $5 for part of a vehicle in another scale

    I may fall sway when I see them in person, but for the moment I'm not tempted to start a line that's not really a line.

    My big question at this point is how cases will be packed out.


cases of the 7 inch are 6 per case.


the standard batman/superman case is 3 of each

the ones with the $5 build a something nobody probably really wants is 2 of each per case

green arrow 2/ harley quinn 4

animated wave is 3 batman/ 2 superman/ 1 green lantern

armored are 3 of each per case

the 4 inch figure cases are 2 rebirth batman then 1 each of the others....even the chase is 1 per case which i don't get unless the gold batman is named "chase figure" in the comics.


there are also solid cases of each figure but i don't believe those will hit places like target, walmart and toys r....uh.....target and walmart.



Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on January 03, 2020, 01:29:10 pm
I will admit though, that the prospect of buying something DC related in a store is appealing.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: fishmilkshake on January 24, 2020, 08:05:58 pm
Would be nice to see them here in Oz as we've never, ever, seen Mattel DCUC on the pegs. Only the more recent Multiverse waves at specialty stores.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: kcekada on January 25, 2020, 04:58:38 pm
They showed up here at Wal-Mart a couple of weeks ago. I haven't seen Batgirl or Nightwing. I really have no interest in what's been shown so far.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on January 26, 2020, 09:15:47 am
Same around here.  Nothing for me except maybe Batman Who Laughs.

This line has been very disappointing to me.  I hate 7” scale.  Absolutely useless with the figures I have.  I’m not starting over.  And don’t get me started about this awful character selection.  Mattel was a disaster.  Todd may be a catastrophe.  At least in my view.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on January 28, 2020, 06:57:55 pm
I ended up getting comic Bats, Supes, Nightwing, BWL, Batgirl, the Bat-Raptor and have the armored figs on order.  I really like these.  They're solid-feeling toys with unique sculpts.  I'm okay starting another scale.  I have 4", 5", 6", 9", and whatever DCD was doing that day-inch figures.  I'm okay starting over, but it doesn't sound like Todd intends on going deep with this line:

https://www.newsarama.com/48791-todd-mcfarlane-talks-toys-and-big-spawn-movie-update-soon.html

 Nrama: Yeah, because I had seen that Target broke street date on them and now I can’t find them at all, but looking at this first wave that was announced recently, it’s pretty large by comparison to say Marvel Legends where it’s maybe five or six figures in a wave. Here, it’s 12. What made you want to go so bold right out the gate?
Credit: McFarlane Toys/DC

McFarlane: I don’t consider it to be twelve figures though. I don’t design anything for the completist. What I like is sort of a buffet. There’s nobody who tries to put everything on their plate, but just picks what they like. So what I did was ask the retailers if I could get a peg for Batman, one for Superman, one for kids? Will give you me a video game peg? Will you give me a 12-inch peg, an animation peg?

Again, when you’re going to retailers you ask for as much as you can and hope you get a fraction of it, right? Because you’ve got the vehicles too. So to me, here’s a bunch of different looks and the price point is going to be all in the same ballpark anyway, and it’s up to the consumer to decide what they’re interested in.  But if you're a fan of the Flash, eventually, you get a TV Flash, a movie Flash, a comic book Flash so those fans can pick what they want or you can now have multiple Flashes in different styles.

Nrama: So you have three different Batmans and Supermans, so talk about why you wanted to go with that many at the start.

McFarlane: That’s actually a pretty good example of what we want to do though for a lot of characters. You have the comic book look, the animated look which some people are used to, and them in some sort of battle armor in big, bulky plastic that look super cool. I don’t think there’s a lot of visual overlap and the consumer can pick and choose what sells and what doesn’t.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Josey Wales on January 28, 2020, 07:31:33 pm
I only have Bats so far, with Supes & the armors arriving tomorrow. Gotta say I'm liking Bats a lot. Love the unique sculpted details & man, this dude is SOLID. I hate the scale change, but I was always sure Todd was gonna do his own thing. I hated to hear when he got the license, but he's definitely changed my mind. No need to go all in, but I'll definitely be in for a few.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 01, 2020, 02:55:58 am
I'll cherry pick too. But then that's I've been doing since DCUC ended.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Josey Wales on February 04, 2020, 09:16:26 pm
Finally had a chance at playing with the armors today.  I know I doubted Todd, but these are amazing. 20 bones for what amounts to a highly detailed BaF/CnC. Definitely a homerun for the change.  If you got extra impulse money, these guys are the ticket. Like Supes & Bats? Get em. Like big badass robot type figs? Get em.
 I've been collecting DC for a while (as have most of you) & these are some of the most substantial? figures we've ever gotten. Even the regular figures are hefty chunks of plastic & the armors step it up another level. Can't say enough about the quality of the plastic & how well put together the joints are. This is what DCD should've evolved into.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on February 05, 2020, 09:30:02 am
I'm still waiting on the Armor figs, but I got comic Bats, Supes, BWL, Batgirl, Nightwing, and the Raptor.  What Josey said is true for every one of the figs I have.  The quality/value ratio is great.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: spider-ben on February 11, 2020, 02:49:56 pm
Does anybody know if the Harley Quinn is supposed to be a comic version or an animated version? Her face looks kind of animated, but the proportions of her body have a classic comic element to them. The packaging doesn't really help because it says Harley Quinn classic like it is referring to the comics......but... .the could be classic animation too. O
I've picked up Comic Batman,  Nightwing,  Batgirl,  and Batman who laughs as well at the Raptor.  These are my first ever DC figures (well collectible ones anyway.  I did have a ton of Batman stuff from the Tim Burton movies when I was a kid in the 90s) 


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Gardner Grayle on February 11, 2020, 03:38:30 pm
Best I can tell, he tried to split the difference with Harley.  Some of both comic and toon.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on February 11, 2020, 03:46:37 pm
I've not gotten the Harley for my comic-based collection.  The head is so clearly animated that it sticks out.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: spider-ben on February 12, 2020, 09:30:43 am
Thanks guys. Yeah I'd say it looks pretty cartoony too. It's Harley Quinn so there will be at least 13 more versions before McFarlane loses the license.  I think I'll wait on her. My comic store posted that the comic Superman figure came in yesterday so that will about do it for me.  I do want to check out the armored characters in person before deciding. 


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Josey Wales on February 13, 2020, 01:40:39 am
Pics of chase figures starting to show up. Comic Bats in blue with oval & capsule belt. Head is the same. [gah]  Also toon Bats in blue. I've passed him up so far, but dunno if I could skip him in blue. [think]


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: spider-ben on February 13, 2020, 11:39:52 am
Where did you happen to see those pics? 


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on February 13, 2020, 05:15:53 pm
https://news.toyark.com/2020/02/13/dc-multiverse-batman-variants-revealed-378754


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on February 16, 2020, 09:45:58 pm
I've not gotten the Harley for my comic-based collection.  The head is so clearly animated that it sticks out.

And of course after seeing the movie I went out and bought her.  Her head is too large, almost like she's wearing a helmet with a static face.  My only other observation is she's kind of hard to use with the stand.  Otherwise, another solid figure from this lovable line.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: fishmilkshake on February 17, 2020, 03:23:31 pm
Interesting that there's no thigh cut joint. I wonder of the leg rotates at the hip instead?


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Josey Wales on February 17, 2020, 06:40:44 pm
If it's like the others, I would assume so. Unless the females are designed differently. Wonder if we'll get any surprises Saturday? I ain't expecting Warlord or Ragman, but something like Hawkman or Dr Fate would be cool.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: Chooch on February 17, 2020, 07:35:29 pm
Hip joints definitely rotate.  Some more successfully than others depending on what type of diaper situation is going on.


Title: Re: The DC/McFarlane thread.
Post by: powersthatbe on February 17, 2020, 08:10:49 pm
My one complaint is the heads seem small on the body. I did get the Bat-Raptor and it is a very nice solid mini vehicle. And for about ten dollars more then a figure a good deal.